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1402:, an editor over the past few months has added another photo to the gallery at “Notable Civil War leaders (Confederate)", making the category one more than that for “Notable Civil War leaders (Union)”. In keeping with our agreed perspective that the Civil War was a war of brothers in Virginia just as much as Kentucky or Tennessee, I hoped that you might be able to supply another photo to the Union side of Virginia’s ledger, I guess another easterner would be best, as there is little point in simply replicating "West Virginians in the American Civil War". But my rationale for those I listed from the west had careers in the Virginia Assembly, the Convention of 1850, the Convention of 1861, or the Restored Government of Virginia -- they were not exclusively or primarily West Virginia careers. 3330:

years with only occasional revision. There is a new book coming out next year by Canadian historian Scott MacKenzie from WVU Press called "The Fifth Border State" which will address these old misconceptions. In 1862 Edward Pollard (a Lost Cause historian) wrote a very perceptive paragraph on WV in his "First Year of the War" when he said "While Maryland, Kentucky, and other regions of the South...were the recipients of overflowing sympathy, and accounted a charitable stretch of imagination "sister States" of the Southern Confederacy, an odium, cruelly unjust, was inflicted upon western Virginia..." That odium manifested itself in the work of sociologist

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solely because of the perceived Unionism of the state during the war, although he kept Kentucky in his "south". Current research shows that WV was much more supportve of the CSA than Kentucky, but that was not the perception then. And the upshot is that Odum's book was used by many government agencies during the FDR years in setting up regional definitions. The Odum Institute at the UNC continued to follow Odum's definition when they did their Southern Focus polls in the 1990s. Odum's bias has had a domino effect to this day. I uploaded a version of Odum's map but haven't used it in any articles yet. I created an article last year titled

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government, with a governor and legislature, and that government eventually granted itself, basically, permission to form a new state. Congress had a right to refuse that new state, but once Congress did approve, the last obstacle would have been a presidential veto, but Lincoln was persuaded to sign the statehood bill. The constitutionality of the state has never been directly challenged, the only challenge was to West Virginia's claim to 2 counties, Berkeley and Jefferson, and the Court ruled in favor of WV.

668: 623: 579: 1903:. I made an edit and discussed a solution on the talk page. You appear to be familiar with the George Tyler Moore Center for the Study of the Civil War. They were very helpful to me (especially Tom White, now retired) when I was researching my ancestor that fought in the 2nd West Virginia Cavalry. Tom was surprised that my ancestor was in the 2nd instead of the 1st given his German-Wheeling background. Have you thought about upgrading 2171: 810: 2503:. His changes don't agree with two books that I have, but agree with an old interpretation of the results of the battle. I don't like it. I reverted his edits, but assume trouble will continue. It seems to me that he is willing to mess with other people's work, but will not take the time to write a complete article by himself. Grrrrr.... I hoped he would funnel his energy into neglected West Virginia regiments such as 3450: 3362: 3221: 2998: 2283: 1829: 1756: 1683: 1508: 2567: 2915: 3161:. Some of that info has been copied and should be reworded. Some is from sources not-good-enough for Knowledge (XXG). Good sources are hard to find, and I have numerous other projects that I am working on. Feel free to copy any of it—I am over a year away (maybe two) from having time for Edgar's Battalion. They definitely appear many times in West Virginia. I'm currently working on 1203: 1085: 2375: 294: 3310:

and gained a good deal of understanding of Dixie from the Nine Nations of North America book, but it is quite out of date. (BTW, the book includes eastern Texas in Dixie, which I surely agree with from my visits; my sister lived in Fort Worth briefly in the '80s, and it sure felt like Dixie ended somewhere between Fort Worth and Dallas.)

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I just noticed your contributions re: Knotts and Cooper to the article on Dixie, which I edit from time to time (I live on Maryland's Eastern Shore, which retains traces of Dixie). I want to thank you; it's a fine addition to the article. I have long been fascinated by questions of regional identity,

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article, I was wondering if you could sanity check and review this article and provide any suggestions or edits. It's more architecturally-focused, and less slavery-focused, but I like your writing style. In the meantime, I'm still trying to identify and add former plantations in West Virginia to the

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you're welcome, the Cooper/Knott article I accessed through the Knowledge (XXG) Library, though they did publish a book on their study. I have spent many years on West Virginia's Civil War history, the contemporary understanding of which is based on old wartime propaganda which was codified over the

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book when sources are difficult to find. However, Lang definitely has a lot of "puffery" in his book (and some mistakes), and it is best to find additional sources when possible. I believe Snell is a source that can be trusted, and he takes the time to explain the difference between the 32,000 Union

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onto the subarticle, without trying to work them in. But in general, we don't need all that much on the split between the states on that article, and it probably should focus on what it meant to (the state that is now) Virginia. Somethings that I think make some sense in the article include the 1991

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Since you are particularly knowledgeable re: WV, I thought I'd ask if you can suggest some particularly good references on the secession issue. I lived in central Va for many years and became intrigued with the question of how each county decided whether to stay in Virginia in 1861. Do you have any

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Yes, I too have grown tired of MarkMcCain's edits that do not have good citations. I've tried to stay positive and get him to use his enthusiasm in a good way, but he seems to only make edits that are not correct or that do not have a citation that meets Knowledge (XXG) Good Article criteria. I may

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I am expanding the article from a sort of hagiography for the First Five Conventions of the Revolutionary period, to include representing some of the delegate speeches in debates from each Convention including the later general conventions through 1902 and short summary sections on the 20th Century

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Thanks, but I have one more question now: Instead of forming a new state, why didn't the Wheeling government just claim to be the legitimate government of all of Virginia? The idea being that after the Civil War, the Wheeling Government would then control the state in its entirety. Or was there a

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regiment. His footnotes do nothing to prove that they received the most of any regiment (and they are in the lead). Also he is counting a 15th person who was in the 1st WVA Cavalry but received the MOH when fighting with the 1st West Virginia Infantry. As usual, this stuff is good if true, but the

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As far as re-uniting, as one US Congressman said, we have the means to create new states, but are we able to recreate them once they have been split? Virginia approached the Wheeling government about reunification in the late 1860's, but Wheeling at that time was even more radical than it had been

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I find about 50% (not scientifically determined) of the stuff at the list of Confederate monuments to be "extra verbiage." I am going to chip away at it, but until it is decided that the SPLC document was not found by Joseph Smith along with the golden tables of the Book of Mormon I fear there is

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No, nothing specific right now - though Confederate monuments seem to be on everyone's mind. I just saw the category and thought, "I'd like, and probably use, that." I do have access to JSTOR that I applied for and got years ago and I wander through it now and again. Though come to think of it,

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I find the article on the history of WV interesting, but it doesn't really explain how the Federal Government was able to admit a state into the Union whose territoy had come from another state without the permission of that said state. The Federal Government did not recognize VA's secession, so

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Hi. Nice job on the article. I took a quick pass through and gave you some formatting assistance. I did not have the energy to search out all of the town names that you included, so you should investigate which of those should be turned into wiki links -- town names are frequently linked in these

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who, in his book "Southern Regions of the United States", made West Virginia part of the "Northeast" despite the fact that his own research showed it to be part of the south. He did not explain why he did that, but fellow sociologist Rupert Bayliss Vance spilled the beans, apparently Odum did it

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Hi. A Supreme Court ruling early in the 19th Cent. gave the president of the US the right to recognize any rival governments within a state, and Lincoln recognized the Wheeling government as the legitimate, loyal government of Virginia. Once Wheeling had that recognition they were able to form a

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I have little in my secondary sources for either the Wheeling delegate speeches or for the Restored Convention of 1864 in Alexandria abolishing slavery in Virginia. I see that there is a copy online of Virgil A. Lewis, How West Virginia Was Made, Proceedings of the First Con- vention...And the

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aforementioned list, and I will be writing a few paragraphs as a lead in utilizing some of the sources you used for your article. As always, any guidance you could provide would be of the greatest help! Thanks again! Also, you may also be interest in taking a look at another recent article for

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during the war and wouldn't even consider it. The people at no time were ever given the choice. If you want to read about the constitutionality of WV, here is a digitized version of JG Randall's "Constitutional Problems Under Lincoln", the WV essay is about the last one.

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Hi, Which article do you mean? I applied through Knowledge (XXG) for access to Project Muse a few years ago. I don't know if they are still taking requests for access, but if there is something you need to know let me know what it is and I will look it up for you,

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where uninvolved admins can help sort things out. I suggest you provide half-a-dozen diffs showing the problematic conduct and explain what you have already done to try to ameliorate the issues (attempts to discuss on talk pages etc). Cheers,

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Mark and DubyaVee, West Virginia needs more people like you. Instead of "butting heads", why not separately enhance the Knowledge (XXG) West Virginia Civil War articles. Here are some of the articles that I believe need to be enhanced:

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article, and wonder if the Second Wheeling Convention in 1861 should qualify establishing a Restored Government of Virginia. Do you know of any sources for the Convention other than Virgil A. Lewis, How West Virginia Was Made, 1909?

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Journal of the Second Convention...at Wheeling, but is there a collection of notable speeches excerpted in a secondary source, like that found for the Richmond Secession Convention in Freehling's "Showdown in Virginia"?

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Hi, I was surprised that there was no article on this raid so I created it. I would appreciate it if you would take a look at it. I double checked the information in several sources and I think it is accurate. Thanks,

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Hey Dubyavee, I noticed that you had uploaded an escaped slave broadside from Hampshire County dated 1845. Would you happen to know which of Hampshire County's two newspapers in operation at that time? I'm expanding

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border commission, which might go in the Modern history section, and information on why the states didn't rejoin after the war. I also think the division of West Virginian soldiers that was added yesterday is good.

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for the Study of the Civil War at Shepherd University. They have all kinds of records and can be counted on as one of the best sources for studying the Civil War in West Virginia. Like you, I have relied on Lang's

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article about the Lee & Jackson in Baltimore. A letter my Ph.D. in history daughter proofed and suggested that I not send. Well now I am just gossiping. I will look for Project Muse and see what I can find.

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Tbanks, TwoScars. I will take a look at the 3rd. It is something of an organizational mess from what I've read, I have the GTMoore cd-rom Mountaineers in Blue and Gray, I'll see what I can do.

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However, I agree that some of the edits from yesterday are not encyclopedia in style, and unnecessarily confrontational. I think the first move in any content dispute is post on the talk page,

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I note that western born post-war West Virginia U.S. Senator Alan T. Caperton was one of those serving as a Virginia Confederate Senator, but he is not in the list of West Virginians at the

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following your dialogue with Rjensen. I generally defer to Rjensen, but I wondered if there was something more to be added describing the western Virginians...if not, not. Thanks anyway.

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1st West Virginia is one of the "half-a-dozen diffs". I still think it is a shame his enthusiasm can not be used in a good way. Perhaps if Peacemaker67 would ask him to fix up

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fear that upon Union victory, the Federal Government would readmit Virginia and recognize the Richmond government, effectively ending the Wheeling government's legitimacy?

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on June 13. It is a shame his enthusiasm is not used for more productive/creative endeavors instead of messing with things that have already been researched.

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which should answer a lot of your questions. I made it to match the articles of the same title for Kentucky and Missouri. I hope this is useful.

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It seems that this may be stale, which I am learning is the kiss of death at WP, three years old is stale, but I made an observation or two at

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Please check behind me on my comments, especially relative to WV. Also, I took a shot at rewriting the VA to WV paragraph under the article

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They definitely should be two separate pages. I did some preliminary work on a 26th Virginia Infantry Battalion page that is currently in

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59th Virginia Infantry and Edgar's Battalion (26th Virginia Infantry Battalion)

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carving WV out of VA without VA's approval seems a bit unconstitutional.

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