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Fastily is talking about. You (and Tvx1) both continue to misrepresent policy. You two keep arguing your points about NFCC when the issue largely centers around your behavioral issues and how terribly executed both of your actions were. You went on with your uncivil behavior on
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I am sincerely trying to ask a question here, OK? Please ignore
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refusing to consider that evidence and instead repeatedly reverting my edits. Were it not for that editor we would not be having that discussion. Furthermore - I DID eventually bring the image to FFD, and the editors there uninamously agreed with me. Do you know who didn't show up in the FFD? Both
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I was pinged, so I'll give my thoughts. All in all, I feel that blocking this user indefinitely is a massive overreaction. I agree that
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I'm sorry but I think your actions are a complete overreaction. Eightball literally made one edit (how is that non-stop??) to any of the relevant talk pages since your warning and there was no threatening or uncivil language in it at all. All we are trying to do is explain and address our concerns
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What a year to be alive. As usual (but perhaps even moreso since there have been unexpected quarantines), there has been a lot of activity on player, team, league and tournament-related
Knowledge (XXG) articles with all of the worldwide coverage of women's football / soccer. Great work!
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Sign up and help fill in the gaps within various articles related to women's football / soccer - whether they be players, teams, leagues, historical, administrators, referees, etc. Every little bit helps.
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in France! There has been a lot of activity on tournament- and player-related Knowledge (XXG) articles with all of the worldwide coverage of the tournament and its players. Let's keep the momentum going.
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a) decide you are prepared to contribute in a constructive and collegial manner (without harassing others), and b) prove to us that you have read and understand
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