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627:, for example, the ‘original’ cover, which had the band's name in turquoise instead of orange (see the ‘Artwork’ section), isn't there at all (probably for fair use reasons – it's not hard with the more familiar cover there to ‘practically convey with words alone’ what it looks like), but the point is that the original cover isn't necessarily the main (or in this case, even the official) cover, and so the original cover shouldn't necessarily receive precedence over the main cover. For an example of a very similar principle, see 1912: 2065: 1999: 3290: 2221: 536: 3344: 3204: 3116: 2910: 2719: 2297: 2096: 1052: 1700: 3075: 2168: 1807: 1235: 935: 723: 200: 3307:. However, the image is currently not used in any articles on Knowledge (XXG). If the image was previously in an article, please go to the article and see why it was removed. You may add it back if you think that that will be useful. However, please note that images for which a replacement could be created are not acceptable for use on Knowledge (XXG) (see 555:. However, the image is currently not used in any articles on Knowledge (XXG). If the image was previously in an article, please go to the article and see why it was removed. You may add it back if you think that that will be useful. However, please note that images for which a replacement could be created are not acceptable for use on Knowledge (XXG) (see 2998: 239: 1394:, which is essentially what you're doing - the policy to not go around arbitrarily changing is to avoid edit wars. As for the other issue, the diacritics in words drawn directly from Spanish are significant - some words mean something different when diacritics are removed, please do not remove them (and most notably, the article itself is named 892:(i.e. verb-final "-s" drops before nos and se (thus Tú dánoslo, Nosotros dámoselo, etc.) and I'm guessing verb-final "‑n" drops before nos as well (thus Ellos dánoslo, Ellas viéronos, etc.))?b) In compound tenses, what do the enclitics attach to? Do you say Helo visto or He vístolo, Fueme dado or Fue dádome, etc.? 891:

I found a site that says that in formal writing and oratory, object pronouns can be added as enclitics to pretty much any verb form you want to attach them to: thus, to use the examples that the site uses, propúseme, siéntese, etc. Is that true? If so: a) Do the normal rules for encliticization apply

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You reverted an edit for the album cover writing "The US version may well have come out first, but since they're a British band, the original British version should take precedence." This sounds odd and new to me. Can you validate your claim with some MoS discussion or rule? To my knowledge the cover

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says "topic that has strong ties to a particular English-speaking nation". There is a well-established consensus for this—you won't see articles with "ties" to East Asian countries using YMD formats (2017 February 28), even though that's the only format most East Asian countries use. Changing date

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I know that emphasis is placed on personal direct object pronouns by repeating them with personal a and putting the a + disjunctive construction wherever you want to place emphasis: Me ama a mí, Te necesito a ti, etc. But do you use a when placing emphasis on non-personal direct object pronouns, and

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For a subject exclusively related to the United Kingdom (for example, a famous British person), use British English. For something related to the United States in the same way, use American English. For something related to another English-speaking country, such as Canada, Australia, or New Zealand,

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Can it be rewritten to be neutral? There obviously has to be a "Reception" section, but there's no need for an entire section dedicated to people's views on the album on its fortieth anniversary. It is thus pretty much inherently non-neutral and definitely unnecessary, so I think its lack of a NPOV

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I know that in perfect infinitives, pronouns get added to haber: haberme visto, habértelos dado, etc. Does the same rule apply to ser in passive infinitives when used with indirect object pronouns? Thus, is it sernos dado, serme guardado, and, if you want to get really fancy, haberte sido mostrado,

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In view of that, please don't change articles from one version of English to another, even if you don't normally use the version in which the article is written. Respect other people's versions of English. They, in turn, should respect yours. Other general guidelines on how Knowledge (XXG) articles

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Sorry for taking so long, but I don't see why you're getting so pissed off. I did see the article on Hirohito, and it really doesn't make sense to have two articles on pretty much the same topic with different date formats. It would obviously take a lot more than editing one article to change it,

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Are you planning on going on a rampage changing every article in Knowledge (XXG) which doesn't meet your date format standards? Mexico and Spain tend to use formats of the form "28 de Noviembre de 1978". But this article is in English, and appears to have been written mostly by Americans, so we're

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I didn't remove the accent from Cortés's name at all; I changed one thing from "Cortés" to "the man". In this case, Spain and Mexico do use dmy (if with slightly different writing conventions), so, since large parts of the English-speaking world use it as well, it should also be be used here. It

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I reverted your changes to the Cortés article. Please do not change the formats of dates without cause; within an article they should be the consistent, and should mot be changed unless necessary. In the English Knowledge (XXG), dates are generally written Month day, year. In some articles a

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My initial reason for flagging your entire edit for further examination was your removing an accent from Cortés inside an article named Hernán Cortés. That made me look closer, and the entire set of changes looked specious. I don't know what your dislike for the diacritics is, but I see no

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being realized as /ɲ/, and there might even be others), but yeah, the tie has to indicate diphthongs, otherwise there would be no reason to list them specifically. To make matters even worse, the pronunciation of stressed diphthongs (as well as all unstressed diphthongs, apparently) is

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Generally speaking, a link to another Wiki. page does not count as a "reliable source" (at least not in my experience with other editors). Found another reference which hopefully will suffice. The word structure of your edit (which I'll reinsert) may need slightly changing. Regards

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the US cover is not only the first published, but also the the best known one. The album sold very well in the US and was ignored in the UK. It is also in the inset of the Remasterd Edition cover by the British EMI and for all these reasons it should be considered the main cover.

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Ah forget to say, you should switch to Greek (the button in the upper-right corner) first because there is only a Greek version. There are only examples there, without any explanation for what these symbols mean, but the tie is likely to mean a diphthong. The is correct, see

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Day month year is standard for the entire English-speaking world outside the US, so unless the article has something specifically to do with the US, dmy should be used. By the way, all of the other exact dates in the infobox in Cortés's article use dmy format.

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If you look at his obituary, listed as ‘The New York Times Company’ under ‘External Links’, you'll see that it was published on 25 September 1996, so the 28th date can't be right. I also have a better source: the Social Security Death Index (see

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different format is used, but you would need justification for using that format instead. In addition, the spelling of Hispanic names with accents is generally accepted - it is neither necessary nor desirable to remove the accents. Regards,

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of the first edition is what should be on top of the infobox, because it is the "original cover". Deep Purple were a British band signed to an American label which released the album way before EMI, so Tetragrammaton cover should be on top.

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Can you try posting the link to the transcription guide again? It isn't working. Ordinary speakers may not be aware of them, but it isn't hard to explain, so confirmation should be easy. And how the hell is there supposed to be an /n/ in

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To my ear, some of the cases are clear, but apparently I don't hear them the same way others do. For example, to my ear, φράουλα has a hiatus, not a diphthong, though Esszet (above) says that the recording "clearly has one

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versions of the CD reissue use the US cover in the insert; go to amazon.co.uk and search ‘Shades of Deep Purple’, and you'll see that others, including the first one that comes up, use the British cover. In any case, the

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are transcribed as and respectively, but and in the digitized entry section, without ties. I don't know if confirmation would be effective, because Foundalis said Greek speakers are unconscious of diphthongs on

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There is surely variation in the pronunciation of these words, partly based on age/generation, partly on region/dialect, partly on education/social class (influence from katharevousa), partly on context (prose vs.

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Here are my answers. However, as I tell everybody, discussions about one particular article are better placed in the talk page for that article; in that way, many more editors can have their say.

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I am not a linguist or phonetician. Though I hear the nasalization after the in µυαλό, I'd have transcribed it as or , with a nasalization tilde over the or the . But as I say, I am no expert.

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justification for removing them. As I mentioned, there are words where the diacritics change the meaning (the classic example is año vs ano), so a blanket removal of diacritics makes no sense.

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If you have anything new to add beyond what you've said in the edit summaries already, please discuss it at the article's talk page. I don't at this point, and you should really

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I suspect it may be desirable to discuss the RfC headnote for a period, since there are (so far) two proposed paths, in addition to yet-to-be-found other outcomes for changing

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Excuse me, but if you're going to talk to me like that, I will report you for incivility. Cortés' association with Spain and Mexico is sufficient reason to change the format;

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It might be worthwhile getting a 3rd party involved, particularly if you feel I'm being uncivil by disagreeing with you. We certainly don't seem to be seeing eye to eye.

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When you have multiple direct or indirect object pronouns, do you have to repeat the verb every time a new one is used? Thus, is it Me y te gusta or Me gusta y te gusta?

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Examples with ties are as follows (considering the vague picture, I type them out here; all transcriptions are the same as those in the entry section, expect for

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have to be sentences; otherwise there's no need for the period at the end. On a related note, citations should normally be placed at the end of punctuation (

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without mentioning an identified reason. It has been reverted. Please stop deleting other people's sourced work which is accounted as vandalism. Thank you.

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not going to use dates in Spanish. The format similarity used in another language isn't sufficient cause to simply go around changing date formats. See

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without adequately explaining why. In the future, it would be helpful to others if you described your changes to Knowledge (XXG) with an accurate

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to a reliable source and re-add it, please do so! If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on

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carefully. I have also asked opinion of some other users and admins. So be patient and enjoy reading and editing on Knowledge (XXG). Thanks.

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Is there a reason you changed this, or was it vandalism? Am I going to have to scrutinize your other edits for similar, unreasonable edits?

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article, changing his death date from the 28th to the 21st, which are in clear conflict with a rather reliable source, the US Congress.

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aren't Spanish names at all, by the way (in the case of Cuauhtemoc, the accent appears to be used as often as not within the article).

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Apropos your working draft items for an RfC, could you push it into an independent section, or do you mind mind if I sectioned it off?

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Though Greek is my first language, I have lived most of my life outside Greece, and have not had any formal education in Greece.

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to an article which did not add content or meaning, or repeated the same link several times throughout the article. Please see

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C) Please stop making minor/nuisance/frivolous changes to this article; enough has been started in the past over such changes.

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Yes, probably there are some sloppy transcriptions on the digitized dictionary. I eventually found a guide of transcriptions

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By the way, I'm guessing dmy is more common in articles on subjects that have ties with nations that use other formats (e.g.

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The terminology used by Greek scholars and teachers may or may not correspond exactly with that used by non-Greek linguists.

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Someone replaced it with a slightly cropped version, so the version I uploaded can be nominated for deletion straight away.

551:. The image description page currently specifies that the image is non-free and may only be used on Knowledge (XXG) under a 2513:: In /m/+/i/+vowel sequences forming one syllable, /i/ is pronounced /ɲ/, e.g. µυαλό 'brain' (cf. µυελός 'bone marrow'). 2407: 3050:. That page was created by consensus and placed on the talk page precisely to avoid erroneous edits like the one you made 858:-- You have to repeat the verb, Spanish is not ready to have different pronouns with the same function for just one verb. 3308: 3304: 2438:(there were probably just mistakes made when digitizing it). We should probably ask a native speaker for confirmation... 2268: 1586:

but it is very strange. It should be standardized across different topics, but this isn't the place for that discussion.

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There are probably prescriptive norms, which may or may not be observed, but which may affect informants' perceptions.

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appears that there is some division among articles on other conquistadors about date format, but since articles like

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What is "the article" on this (excellent) album? I'll be happy to add it if you like. Let's not edit war here. :) --

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Please use the edit summary to explain your reasoning for the edit, or a summary of what the edit changes. Thanks!

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The date format chosen by the first major contributor in the early stages of an article should continue to be used

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Do you disambiguate it with a sí or para sí and thus get things like Se lo hizo a sí and Se lo mantenía para sí?

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the article – the first two reasons you gave are clearly inapplicable, and then you failed to give one at all.

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Thought you might like this for your user page. Eight years is a long time to be a red-link user: :-) Best,

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have been undone because they did not appear constructive. If you would like to experiment, please use the

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for how this is done. If discussions reach an impasse, you can then post a request for help at a relevant

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Once a date format is establiched on an article, it takes a very strong consensus to change it. Compare

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3rd party here. What date formats are used in non-English-speaking countries is irrelevant—this is why

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use the variety of English used there. For an international topic, use the form of English that the

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has one, so I'm not entirely sure whom to trust here, but I would obviously give precedence to the

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Well, it isn't even comprehensive for its own purposes (it doesn't say anything about <μι: -->

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when not preceded by any preposition can only work as sentence subjects. In this case the

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is normal. In verbal forms other than infinitive, gerund and imperative, such as in

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nless there are reasons for changing it based on strong national ties to the topic

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That's what they're generally called, yeah, it's a holdover from the vinyl era.

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if not, do you just use the disjunctive form? Thus, is it Se los di ellos a él?

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i͜o; ιο, ειο; ρασιοναλισμός, αντρειοσύνη; rasi͜onalizmós, andri͜osíni

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The article says he converted to Judaism. 02:38, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

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