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system. Do you really want to have an article on Darkin under "Sergei Darkin" and an article on
Lukyanenko (Russian science fiction writer) under "Sergey Lukyanenko" and then have people (especially those who have no clue as to how Russian language works) wondering if these are two different names, or if there is a spelling error in one of the article, or what the proper way to to spell the name of Mr. Penkin is—Sergey Penkin or Sergei Penkin? Wouldn't it be so much cleaner to use just one transliteration variant (and I prefer using "y" for "й" rather than "i" or "j", since "y" is used the most often across the articles) and then to clarify through the means of in-article notes and redirects that other ways of transliteration are also possible? I strongly believe it would (even though my earlier note about the necessity of using a spelling variant of the name that a person him/her/
2689:Когда ищешь в Гугле слова Arça и Arsk, выдаёт примерно однаковое количество. Но ни то, ни другое с тсатарским городом Арском не связано:) Какие выводы можно делать о наименовании статьи? Тем более что чем меньше нас.пункт, тем сложнее найти хоть чё-то стоящее в интернете... Надо выработать рамки в которых... Короче не надо принимать то, что изначально статьи с сылками на татарстанские города я называл исходя из татарских имён, а не общеприянтых английских, которые мне как коренному жителю не известны, .. за проявления национализма и сепаратизна - просто хотелось, чтобы до англоязычного читателя дошло origin. Конечно, значки эти надстрочные не всем известны, но даже без них имена и названия всё-таки более корректные, чем 2-жды странслитерованные через русский. Надеюсь на понимание как систоп систопа :) Но в принципе сложившейся ситуацией доволен - всё правильно делают.
1178:, сюда как раз и попадают). Если устоявшегося варианта не существует (что верно для малоизвестных имён/названий, того же г-на Салахова, например), то в качестве основного используется родной вариант. Для русского языка это будет транслитерация, в случае же с языком татарским всё усложняется тем фактом, что как кириллический, так и латинский алфавит этого языка имеют своих противников. Если в качестве основного принять кириллический алфавит, то вариант имени должен быть латинской транслитерацией, если же за основной алфавит принять латинский, то тогда слово должно использоваться в родной форме со всеми умляутами и седиллами. На мой взгляд, пока мы все не определимся, какой алфавит считать основным, спорить о том, какую форму татарского имени/названия считать правильной (при отсутствии устоявшегося английского варианта) просто бессмысленно.--
714:. Well, this is what can be called a representative sampling. An "incorrect" way of transliteration overwhelms the "correct" way by three orders of magnitude. This does not make it right, but it does make it something important to consider—namely, a widely accepted convention. To go against that would not only be useless, it would be plain stupid. Plus, Mr. Gorbachev himself prefer his last name to be spelled as "Gorbachev". That is totally his right to do so. If he wanted it to be spelled "Gorbahchioff" and started using it from the beginning of his presidency, that would probably be what we would be using today. Hence, of the rules that I am trying to follow, emerges rule number one—when a spelling is widely accepted or when it is preferred by the person bearing the name, then it's the one to be used, and not an "orthographically correct" version.
2735:Отдельно хочу отметить, что всё вышеизложенное — это исключительно моё личное предложение, не подкреплённое никакими policies and procedures. Я бы очень хотел знать единственный верный ответ, но, к сожалению, он мне неизвестен. Моё предположение, на мой же взгляд, является довольно приемлемым компромиссом между использованием татарских, русских и английских наименований небольших городов. Как известно, наилучший компромисс считается достигнутым тогда, когда ни одна из сторон не довольна результатом :) (вам и остальным жителям Татарстана наверняка хотелось бы видеть эти статьи под оригинальными татарскими названиями, написанными латиницей; а мне — английскую транслитерацию с русского названия). Не исключено, что есть и другие точки зрения.--
2044:"Altai" spelling is more common except in Britannica and Encarta, which stick with transliteration guidelines and use "Altay". If the article on "Altai Republic" is to be moved, it should be moved to "Altai", not to "Altay". "Altai", however, is currently an article on the Altai region/mountains, and it has a right to stay there under the same policy to use short names you are referring to. Moving "Altai Republic" to "Altay" would create a confusion between "Altay" and "Altai", even if clarifying links are placed in the articles, plus, this is a far less common spelling variant. Shortened name will also conflict with "Altai Krai", which can also be shortened to Altai. Either leave this as is, or consider conducting a poll.
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and I apologize for the oversight), and I sure as hell never participated in the reversion wars. So far I either explained all of the reverts that I made and convinced the other side they were better for
Knowledge (XXG), or I let the other side to convince me that I was not right. I do know that I can be overprotective of my own edits and contributions, but that does not mean I am incapable of changing my point of view given the good (logical) reasons to do so. I just sincerely hope that you are not going to reply with "my system is better that yours because yours sucks and I like mine better and there are examples that other people use it too" line.
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article is only there because it is the one most commonly used across this fine encyclopedia; d) I strongly believe that one and only one system should be used when transliterating
Russian words which do not have an established English form; e) I don't think I ever mentioned it before, but the article should probably mention that the system is to mostly cover personal and geographical names, not sentences and texts; f) I am sorry we disagree on this issue so much—I am trying to be consistent, and you are trying to use conventions that you deem most acceptable and established. I hope these comments of mine will alleviate the tension at least partially.
1159:Тут мне втирают, что дескать у людей, (как и у всех городов и деревень) может существовать несколко имён, в том числе и английские. Т.о. все имена как с русского, так и с других языков России (а по мнению Гене с в Росии пишущих латинским шрифтом народов нет), должны иметь какое-то английское имя, неизменное, причём, похоже, во преки всем правилам фонетки и естественного права человека использовать своё имя так, как он его произносит). Нельзя ли как-нибудь внести в Конвенцию по именам то, о чём мы уже договорились - а именно создания главного файла с испеользованием родного произношения, а для альтернативных - создание широкой сетки редиректов.
994:Ëzhiki, I've been putting this off, but now 'tis time I bit the bullet. To change metaphors (and as one wildlife form to another), let me say that I have always seen my niche in the ecology of Wiki as that of a small and normally unnoticed scavenger creature who lives off the minor errors of others and, in so doing, performs what I hope is a small service to all. It does so happen, though, that occasionally I get caught on the open grazing-plain, and in broad daylight, by one or other of the galumphing über-beasts of Wikiworld, and my little legs have to run very fast indeed to preserve my existence for another day... :-)
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between "й" and "ы", nevertheless introduces the whole new issue of "й" vs. "и". To me, this is far less acceptable because letter "и" is so much more common in the
Russian language, and there are so many words having both "и" and "й" in them. Then, if you also start using "i" for "-ий" and "-ый" endings, you end up with a system which is by no means better than the one currently outlined in the article; with ambiguity shifted from one letter to another. Case in point: it is much easier to restore original spelling from "Spokoynoy nochi", than from "Spokoinoi nochi".
907:(*) Let me mention here, for the purposes of elucidation, that what you call "transliteration" I call "transcription". For me, "transliteration" is a symbol-for-symbol mapping of the kind one finds, for example, in the English version of online Russian railway timetables. "Transcription", on the other hand, attempts - to a greater or lesser extent - to map onto the sounds of the target language. Thus, when Lithuanian gives the name of the UK premier as "Tonis Bleras" it is not only declining the name according to Lithuanian grammar rules but also
3743:. I no longer remember where they got it from, I must have merely assumed it was licensed under GFDL (which I cannot guarantee). Currently that Estonian article features a different (and much better) image of the coat of arms, stating it came from geraldika.ru. I do not know whether that would qualify as fair use, so I am leaving the decision up to you. Please let me know what you think, because most of my images (and all of the flags and coats of arms I contributed) were taken directly from Wikipedias in other languages. Thanks.—
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renamed to village "Yelizovo" in 1924, and long after in 1975 village "Yelizovo" get city status, so there was no city "Zavoyko" at all, only village with this name. The article title is "List of city name changes" so I guess here must be only changes of city names. I Russia, for example, there are a lot of villages that were renamed, it is also interesting information, but it should be written in another article, I guess. Tell me if I'm wrong, and please answer on the article talk page. Maximaximax 04:01, 12 Aug 2004 (UTC)
2716:Если случайно какой-нибудь из мелких городов при использовании этой системы окажется под "неправильным" названием (т.е. в случае, когда в английском уже будет более распространённое название), то я более чем уверен, что тут же найдутся желающие вам об этом сообщить :) В таких случаях статью всегда можно будет переместить под более распространённое название. Бо́льшая же часть статей о небольших населённых пунктах будет располагаться под названиями, которые будут давать представление об их татарском наименовании.
2349:" notation. The latter is just more commonly used across the Knowledge (XXG). I don't think there is a policy regarding this, but for consistency sake I would suggest using notation with the colon. This would make all of the articles look similar, which is always better than using different styles in different articles. Plus, when you add transliteration to this notation, the whole structure looks more streamlined (and enables you to add a link to the transliteration article). Here is an example:
731:. Now, let me reiterate—I am using one system, you are using another, there are quite a few other systems in place, and none of them is accepted as "An Official System of Transliteration of the Russian Language into the English One" and published in a little nifty green book for everyone to use. That's all obvious truisms. Is the system I use necessarily better that yours? No. Is any system better than another? In some senses, yes, but it depends. Am I trying to make everyone use
3053:. I fixed it in the box you created and just wanted to point this out so you don't accidentally use the Genitive form in other boxes (should you go ahead and create any more of them). Also, if you could please deitalicize the Russian spelling in the list itself—it has been decided that italicized Russian text is difficult to read for non-native speakers. I didn't want to specifically deitalicize every instance, but I do so if I make other, more significant edits, at the same time.—
2909:Что касается золотоордынских ханов, то в соответствии с политикой Википедии надо использовать традиционные западные имена. Если в статье про Золотую Орду используются другие названия, то их, по-видимому, надо заменить на традиционные. Предварительно, однако, я бы порекомендовал просмотреть историю статьи и попробовать побеседовать с теми людьми, кто использовали узбекско-азербайджанские варианты написания—проверить, были ли у них веские причины использовать именно их.—
311:как просто Путин, Н.С.Хрущев - как Хрущ, Кучма в Украине - как ... (запрещено правилами Вайкипедии). А величать их везде по-батюшке - значит уподобляться ...лизам, которые ведут Ваш, Ёжик, народ к катастрофе. И кстати, педалирование отчества однозначно позиционирует Россию ближе к Северной Корее (где все имена полные, а руководители непогрешимые), чем к Западу (который есть виновник существования Интернета и проектов, подобных тому, где мы сейчас находимся)...
919:- "football" becomes "fútbol". When Russian writes Саутгемптон for Southampton it is transcribing not transliterating. This is not a scientifically accurate transcripion, of course (Bulgarian arguably comes closer with Саутхямптън), but then "Tchaikovsky" (quite apart from the fact that that spelling is a borrowing from French -- English is a promiscuous language and doesn't care about such niceties!) is somewhat distant from the sound of Чайковский.
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common conventions used when transliterating
Russian words into English. I can agree that this particular transliteration system has some minor elements that can be more properly described as transcription elements (e.g., using "y" for the "-ий" and "-ый" endings, and omission of the soft sign in most cases); the only reason these elements are there is because they are extensively used throughout the Knowledge (XXG) and other reference materials.
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of all in your system. The Roman letter "y" has to perform so many other tasks in your system that I find this to be one too many -- and I will never find Sergey anything other than very odd-looking (compared to Sergei). And the same goes for the "Altay" Mountains, the "balalayka", the "Bolshoy Ballet", "borzoy" dogs, and the "Yenisey" River. Altai, balalaika, Bolshoi, borzoi, Yenisei -- these are the forms I have grown up with.
2453:, outlining the most common systems. I've chosen to use the Ukrainian National system, because there didn't seem to be a clear consensus on Knowledge (XXG), apart from many names that either have a well-established form or are recently in the news. As you probably already know, the National system is used by Ukraine, the U.N., foreign services and in most new atlases, so it seems the most authoritative to me.
2879:Второй вопрос. По правилам какого языка целесообразно транслитерировать имена золотоордынских ханов (не Казанских или Крымских)? Ведь они говорили не на татарском в современном понимании. Да и вообще говоря, они были Чингизиды - т.е. монголы. К тому же варниантов транслитерации я насчитал не менее пяти - русский, татарский, польский, литовский, турецкий, традиционный западый. Но на странице
2709:Что касается небольших населённых пунктов, то с ними всегда проблемы. На мой взгляд правильнее всего было бы брать оригинальное название на татарском языке и приводить его к латинскому написанию без надстрочных/подстрочных знаков. Отдельно отмечаю — не просто опускать эти знаки, а именно приводить к латинскому написанию (т.е. буква "ç", например, будет передаваться как "ch", а не как "c")
321:Вам, как журналисту, наверняка сокращённые формы имён ближе, нежели полные. В газетах и журналах, как всем известно, людей полным именем называют нечасто. В энциклопедии же полное имя должно быть приведено - на то она и энциклопедия, чтобы можно было легко найти информацию справочного характера. Everyking, однако, объяснил достаточно убедительно, почему полное имя не должно быть
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no loss of information—transliteration is mainly added for search engines indexing purposes, and apostrophes (especially trailing) are usually omitted when a word containing them is indexed. Whether you use "oblast" or "oblast'", it makes no difference. "Oblast", however, looks much neater than "oblast'" (but, like I said before, it can be placed with the apostrope-less variant).
2706:На мой взгляд, большие и относительно большие/известные города (как Набережные Челны) должны располагаться под тем названием, под которым они наиболее известны в англоязычных странах (в данном случае, Naberezhnye Chelny). Эта информация легко добывается из гугля. Естественно, все другие наименования должны быть как упомянуты в тексте статьи, так и оформлены в виде редиректов.
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appealing. Third, I kind of rushed to leave a comment after seeing what you did to the article on Komi
Republic (just a box with dummy information)—I automatically assumed that all changes were of similar nature. Fourth, I really did not like that you went ahead with changing the headers without finishing the discussion. That contributed to the tone of my message somewhat.
576:Если есть ссылка на конституцию Татарстана на русском (или это из области фантастики?), то я без проблем переведу на английский и добавлю в статью. Это действительно самый разумный вариант. Если на русском конституции нет, то переводить вам придётся самому - татарским я, к сожалению, не владею. В любом случае - могу помочь подправить, чтобы совпадало с духом оригинала.--
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examples to support the "convention" would include other words that came to
English from Russian through French. I cannot, unfortunately, think of any examples right now, which, of course, does not mean these examples do not exist. In any case, even if Tchaikovsky were the only example, he is well worth including into the table to illustrate an exception to the rule.
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1554:", but the "-aya" ending sometimes tends to be dropped out by people who do not know Russian (it is easier to pronounce this way), thus making it into "Kamchatska". If this is the case, "Kamchatska" would be incorrect, and it would also explain the unusually large number of hits (for a simple typo). I will still look into the local dialects version though.--
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mention those who would just have no knowledge of any existing transliteration systems or even that such systems exist. The second part of rule number one also does not hold—Mr. Darkin does not have a clear personal preference as to how his name should be transliterated (or at least he never expressed a desire to have his name spelled in any particular way).
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you claim to be the "proper" system of transcription. No one system is universally regarded as "proper", and while I would claim that the one I use is more generally accepted, I see that resistance is futile and I give way to you, sir. I would just point out that you forgot to change "Primorsky Krai" into "Kray". Spokoinoi nochi, Ezhiki. --
1174:. Согласно этой конвенции, английский вариант имени/названия (вне зависимости от его "правильности" с точки зрения грамматических норм исходного языка) всегда должен использоваться как основной, за исключением случаев, когда родной спеллинг более распространён, чем английский вариант (имена политиков, как
685:. As one can imagine, he is just one of the thousands third-rate politicians who are sold a penny a dozen on a sunny day—that is to say he is not all that well known throughout the world. Just like you mentioned, Google gives us less than 3,000 hits (with all spelling variants combined). Heck, even
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I am sorry the accents look bad to you. You may want to tweak your fonts/settings. Also, just because they look bad to you does not mean they do not retain their value, especially to people to whom they look OK. I find Greek texts rendered pretty ugly on my machine, which is not a reason to remove
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I notice you restored the accents I removed in the cyrillic oblast names. Are these accents really essential? They are not used on
Russian Knowledge (XXG). Even worse, they look horrible under Linux (at least for me) because apparently they are not placed above the letters but beside them, giving a
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Yeah, the show returned for a one-off TV Movie in 1996, co-financed by the BBC, Universal
Television and the Fox Network. It was an attempt to launch the series as a major concern in the US, but didn't really succeed and remained a one-off. It's interesting though because I think it's the only time a
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for an example). The only reason I personally prefer using no apostrophe is because most of the words of
Russian origin are transliterated without it throughout Knowledge (XXG). It is much easier to continue using no apostrophe than going through all articles and add it back. What's more, there is
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Wow, you did get me intrigued there. You are right, there is a good possibility that "Kamchatska" is most likely a spelling variant in one of the local dialects. It probably would be a good idea to comment it out for now, but I will certainly try to research this when I have time. I will also copy
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Oh, that. Sorry, I did indeed misunderstand. The summary fields are often the names of the sections, which are sometimes in Russian. Since I usually just look at the page as a whole when looking for what's changes, I don't pay the summaries much attention. But I get your point. Thanks. Not that
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First of all, I would like to apologize for not leaving you a message explaining my reasons for reverts right after I made the changes. I had only about 15 minutes on Knowledge (XXG) on Sunday before I had to leave home, and figured I would write an explanation on Monday. Well, you beat me at that.
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The "stupid user issue" is something that can never be resolved. I am sure that even when all of the articles on Russian federal subjects contain the English name, the Russian name (both accented and unaccented), its transliteration (and maybe even a list of all transliteration variants), a link to
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Thus accents might improve user pronounciation, but they make much more difficult searching for additional sites in Russian via Google. The average user will not know how to remove the accents and will simply attempt to cut and paste from the Knowledge (XXG) article into the Google search box. Doing
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Yes, the accents are quite essential. They show the stressed syllable, which is useful to people who don't know Russian all that well (but are able to read Cyrillic). Putting accents on words is standard practice, Russian dictionaries and encyclopedias always show accents. There are many words in
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US version of a British show has carried on the narrative thread from the original rather than being a re-make, and the TV Movie is regarded as being part of the same story as the original series. I think I did an entry for the movie's broadcast in the 'events' section of the 1996 page a while back.
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Ah, you were very quick in creating that administrative divisions page for st. petersburg, thank you! I uploaded the districts map into that article. I am not sure if it should be uploaded to st. petersburg main page as well without the district numberings. Also I could enlarge the thumbnail version
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decided (so far, in addition to "transl." proposed by you, the proposed options include "tr." and "translit."). If there is a third way to handle the format (without punctuation-overloaded parentheses and without having to spell all variants in separate sentences), I'd love to hear what it might be.
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As for abbreviating "transliteration" to "transl.", this was actually also discussed on the Russian federal subjects project's talk page (see the link I gave you earlier). The more I think of it, the more I believe it would be a good idea, although what particular abbreviation to use is still to be
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I hope I was clear in explaining my point of view. I do not see anything wrong with your system, and I sure hope you did not take my changes personally (they are not). It is just that I think utilizing already existing conventions (even when they are not outlined in policies of any kind) is always
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find 86 distinct webpages (up to 144 pages including repeats). Many of these webpages include both the Kamchatka and Kamchatska spellings. This seems a bit too many to simply be a frequent spelling mistake (unless there's a strong urge to type "-ska" in all things Russian?). So, I drew the debatable
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The list I have was published in a local paper in the town where I used to live (in Russia). Apparently, they did not have many local news to cover (and the quality of their coverage was so crappy that they eventually went out of business), so they published a bunch of useless facts every week—from
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and I have to synchronize them with russian Knowledge (XXG), but to do it I have to check spelling of each Russian name, and it needs lots of time. Sorry, if it is not your intention to do it, but I think that there should be no borders between language subparts of Knowledge (XXG) project - they all
1083:
Hi, Ezhik! (sorry, I don't know your real name) I know that you contribute mostly in English Knowledge (XXG), because you like it more than our tiny one, but may be (sure, if you want and have time for it) you can also synchronyze your changes of Russia-related articles with ru:? It will really help
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Your suggestion about simply adding a note regarding established English forms is quite good, though, and it would indeed take care of many unnecessary details. The only problem with it is when there is no established English form, or when several forms exist on a seemingly equal basis. This would
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article: I think you should take the bull by the horns, Ëshiki, and wield Ockham's Razor here (what a mixed-metaphor day I am having today!). Nothing wrong with your outlining your transcription system, but but but... stick to your basic rules and then simply add a statement to the effect that "None
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Finally, as for the Engish language not being thorougly consistent. That's true, but it does not mean we have to make Knowledge (XXG) an equally inconsistent mess. The only goal I am pursuing is that all transliterated Russian names are placed under the headers using one consistent transliteration
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3. So, here are my reasons. If you want to give yours—be my guest. I am not quite sure why you took such a hostile attitude towards me without even trying to ask me for explanation (and, again, I know, I should have given my part of the explanations as soon as I made the edits, if not before that,
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I have to say that it was a long shot, going up against the "self-appointed keeper of consistency" - but i thought it worth a try at least. I won't change Sergey Darkin (633 Google hits) back to Sergei Darkin (2,080 hits) as I'm not into "reversion wars" and you are clearly zealous in defending what
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Sure. Pierogi and vareniki are actually not really different (they are called differently because pierogi have Polish origin, and vareniki have Russian origin). Pierogi, however, are usually done with mashed potatoes filling, and vareniki have cottage cheese filling. This is all not set in stone,
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Hey, that's a great map, thanks! Say, would it be possible to renumber the districts on the map to match the order in which they are listed in the article (so the bulleted list can be replaced with the numbered list)? It is, of course, possible, to rearrange the list to match the map, but I think
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do this :)), the conversion is progressing painfully slow. It is, however, my intent, to re-do the articles on all of the Russian federal subjects, so this is just a fair warning that the districts box you added will eventually be replaced with a separate article. I thought I need to let you know
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Yeah, it seems that decades can be named either ways (so 1990 can be either the last year of 1980s or the first year of 1990s). Since it would be silly going through all of the articles and changing them from one system to another (not to mention it would meet resistance from ignoramuses who still
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In russian Камчатка (Kamchatka) is the same as Камчатский полуостров (Kamchatskiy Pennisula). Here, "камчат-" ("kamchat-") is radical of both words "Камчатка" and "Камчатский". "Камчатка" is a noun with derivational suffix "-к-" ("-k-"), and "Камчатский" is adjective with derivational suffix "-ск-"
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Being curious, I went in search of "Kamchatska" on Knowledge (XXG), only to find one reference in Knowledge (XXG) (my second piece of evidence). Later, when I discovered "Kamchatka" and found it was the more common term, I subsequently changed that single Knowledge (XXG) occurrence to the Kamchatka
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I'm not sure that in this list should be names of cities that they had before they get city status (when they were villages). For example, for Russian cities: village "Alexandrovskoye" get city status and get it's new name "Alexandrovka" in 1926. Another example, more obvious: village "Zavoyko" was
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So, to summarize—a) I am not a proponent of changing every single word of Russian origin with its transliteration which would be in strict accordance with the system outlined in the article; b) I still prefer "y" over "i" for the reasons outlined above; c) the system outlined in the transliteration
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As for the "y" for "й", I, unsurprisingly, agree. Trust me, if there was one system that could prevent using one Roman letter for representing several Cyrillic letters, I would be the one eager beaver to promote it and have it adopted. Your solution ("i" for "й"), while resolving the disambiguity
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I think I've already conceded that all transcription systems are compromises and unlikely therefore ever to please all. Without saying else, then, about the merits of your system over mine or vice versa, let me at least say before I go that I find the use of "y" for "й" the most problematic feature
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is an error - Stalin died in 1953. However, if I write "Iosef Stalin died on 5 March" where you would prefer to write "Joseph Stalin died on March 5", that is a matter of taste and preference, not of error. How would you react to my changing your sentence with notes saying "date error", "name moved
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Deciding which name is most common would ordinarily be worked out on a talk page for an article, although in almost all cases it's pretty obvious. In cases where there is a dispute, a Google search is a common way of determining what is the most frequent use in English: for example, "Hazret Sovmen"
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As for the articles on districts not having been written yet—whoever takes a go at those will get my full support and a barnstar. There are 1,866 districts in Russia, and less than a dozen have articles right now. It's just that I'd hate to see 1,800+ stubs or substubs added—almost each district
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is also a huge proponent of your system), my point of view is supported by the same fact—bolding non-English words is not very common through Knowledge (XXG) and is not very consistent in regards to the articles that do not use bolding. It may not be wrong, but so far no one (Mr. Cantus included)
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I don't know if it's laid out as policy anywhere, but it's the common practice. A lot of problems can arise otherwise: for one thing, long names make for awkward titles; for another, putting the commonly used name in the title makes it apparent to the reader how the person's name is usually given,
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People would probably object to listing a separate soaps section, but daytime shows are, by and large, a very different genre from nighttime shows. I know which shows are popular in what year (like, I don't really believe in having a soap being listed for every year. I'm thinking of taking All My
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article. The stub message was there for a reason. I, believing that only one system is necessary for Knowledge (XXG) and having a preference at which one to be used, compiled that particular article. What I did not mean was to carve it in stone and use it as an idol to pray to. As a matter of
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Now, back to Mr. Darkin. Since he is not very well-known, there just can't be the only way of transliterating his first name, patronymic, and even his last name. I am using one system, you are using another, and someone else may have no clue as to how the name "should" be transliterated, not to
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they have another opinion. So, there are several opinions in this subject. I more like the case where Siberia is larger than Canada, you like when it is without Far East :), but our opinions are both correct, and both of them concern of geography, but not of history, sorry - it's only difference
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stopping in 1984 and re-staring in 1986? True, there was an eighteen month gap between seasons twenty-two and twenty-three, but twenty-two ended in early 1985 and twenty-three began in late 1986. Although there was some worry at the time, the show was never cancelled, the twenty-third season was
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As for transliterating Ukrainian, I think it would be the best if a separate article is created. Granted, much of the information would be duplicate, but it is the details where the devil is in :) The article on Russian transliteration still needs a lot of work, and adding Ukrainian to the mix
1187:Я понимаю, что вопрос был не ко мне - но английское имя не есть какое-то "неизменное" имя, а то имя, которое чаще всего используется англоговорящими. Поменять это правило практически невозможно. Это правило выстрадано в многочисленных баталиях, и с каждым новым обсуждением оно только укрепляется.
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which are by no means proposed to be replaced with the y-versions (although Britannica and Encarta actually do use "Altay" when referring to the republic). It is less common words the transliteration system is to cover. "Sergey" and "Sergei", for example, are used almost equally in the English
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22:26, 22 Jul 2004 (UTC): Quote from your words: "In terms of physical geography, RFE is actually a superior division of landmass of Russia, on par with North Caucasus or Siberia. Zabaykalye and Altai are well-defined, but much smaller regions." Look on the map please - Altai and Zabaykalye are
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Thanks. I asked this question because in Poland we generally refer to all of these as pierogi, so the Russian names for different types made me quite confused. In Poland those with meat filling are called "meat pierogi", those with cabbage filling - "cabbage pierogi", and those with potatoes and
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Thanks for russian transliteration. Unless you can produce some more information than just the list of those raions, I don't see a reason to create separate page for St. Petersburg administrative areas. I am finishing the district map right now, so that will clarify the picture a lot more. Some
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As for the "ch/tch" dillema: Pyotr Ilyich is not really the only example of the exception to the "Ch for ч" rule. Some people choose to write their own last names with a "tch"—Tchaikovsky is just the most recognized name to be used as an example (thank you for providing it, by the way). Other
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as "(k)horosho", because this is how the word is spelled (use of h/kh depends on which system you are using). The system described by the article does not transcribe words, it uses the written form of a word as a basis for converting it into another script; plus, it takes into account the most
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I am again sorry for being somewhat harsh in my original comments. Like I mentioned before, I only had about 15 minutes on the day I made the edits, so choosing words for comments was not a very high priority for me. As this discussion clearly shows, this was not a wise thing to do. The word
2742:Да, я согласен :) Такой метод нужен ещё и потому, что многие жители самого Татарстана искренне полагают, что в английском тексте никакие надстрочные знаки писать ни в коем случае нельзя - мол в английском алфавите такого нет, да и враскладке, устанавливаемой на наш софт - ничего подобного нет.
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Why, I'm very interested in transliteration. But citing myself, "I don't like to make things that others can do much better than me." I found that you well know what you do and I decided not to mess up :-). If there anyone who knows the history better than me and will prevent nationalists from
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Thanx! It would be very nice :) About City name changes - in fact it's me who contributed most of Russian city names to it before you, and I never saw such a list before (BTW where did you get it?), so I like this article very much and want to have the same in ru:. Before your changes it was
3467:, which is seeking to put copyright tags on all of the untagged images. There are probably, oh, thirty thousand or so to do (he said, reaching into the air for a large figure). But hey: they're images ... you'll get to see lots of random pretty pictures. That must be better than looking for
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First, I am not the primary authority to give permissions to people who wish to work on the articles that I work on as well. These are not "my" articles, even if I was the one to contribute the most content to them. Second, I actually did like the new box format; it looks cleaner and more
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Hi, Max! I have nothing against contributing to the Russian Knowledge (XXG) (especially when asked :) or when a parallel article exists). I just did not not notice that a Russian version of this particular article was also available. How about I finish the English version first, and then
3864:). Accents are no different in that sense. It is believed that the only reason why search engines can't yet automatically strip accents during search is that the accents aren't all that common on the net (except in encyclopedic and dictionary resources). Eventually this will be fixed.
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I'm sorry, I think I didn't quite get your idea. If a standalone article lists (and links to) all of the districts of a federal subject, what would the purpose of a template footer be? Or did you mean that the footer will be included into the main article? Could you, please, clarify
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Next time, please research the subject before making abrupt changes and blaming others for not agreeing with you. It would also be great if you started using the "Edit summary" box and the "Show preview" button when editing articles, as well as if you started to sign your posts. Like
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my first language, after all :)) Anyway, I believe the issue has been addressed—the only reason I did not revert the "sk-" variant right away was because I wanted to make sure there was indeed no other spelling variant based the ways natives of Kamchatka could render the name of their
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So, it's not as if I'm ideologically opposed to your project, Y. - though for me it does have elements of the quixotic. The English language is not, and I hope never will be, thoroughly consistent, after all: if we can successfully maneuver/manoeuvre between American- and world-English
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We shall have to "agree to diagree" on the "transliteration" v. "transcription" question. For me transliteration has to be one-to-one in both directions (e.g. Serbian in the Cyrillic and Roman alphabets): everything else is transcription - "phonetic transcription" perhaps, but still
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the information on the periodic table elements to the lists of Russian tsars. The list of name changes was quite large, and I saved it for no apparent reason. I don't know where they were taking all that information from—probably just copied it off a reference book of some sort.--
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Odd. The term "capital", and the use of Birobidzhan for the region were both in the article as I found it, and both appear in the materials I've found. However, use of Birobidzhan for the region is not mentioned universally; additionally, these are in English only. I'll revert.
423:Интересно, как должны передаваться в английскую и русскую вику слова, обозначающие понятия из языков народов России, произносимые как в самом родном языке как в русской, так и в английской речи. (например. Татарская национальная борьба көрәш - Tatar national wrestling köräş)
457:Ïðèâåò, ¨æèêè! ß äóìàþ âíåñòè â ðóññêóþ òðàíñëèòåðàöèþ îäíî íîâøåñòâî. Ïóòü äæ áóäåò j. Òåì áîëåå ýòè ñî÷åòàíèÿ áóêâ â ðóññêèõ èìåíàõ íå âñòðå÷àþòñÿ. Ýòî áûëî áû íåïëîõî, ñêàæåì, äëÿ êàâêàçñêèõ èì¸í è íàçâàíèé. Âåäü äî ñðåäíåñòàòèñòè÷åñêîãî ÿíêè íå äîïð¸ò, ÷òî äçõ = ýòî äæ.
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article clearly shows. The word "Komi" itself is more strongly associated with the Komi people, not with the Komi Republic. Consider conducting a poll regarding the name. Meanwhile, I changed "Komi" to a redirect to the disambiguation page instead of the page about the
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I am not going to delve into the "transliteration vs. transcription" argument, because if we start introducing "degrees of trascription" that take the level of phonetic closeness into account, it would lead us to nowhere and have real specialists on the subject laugh real
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belong to one great project of the largest multylingual encyclopedia. I also contribute sometimes in English part - though my language level is not enough to write articles I can add or correct facts. I hope that you understand me, sorry if I was too annoying. Thank you!
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the article in Russian Knowledge (XXG), and a bunch of links in the External Links section, there will always be some users who plug an incorrect word into the search engine. All we can do is to provide the end user with a selection to choose from and hope for the best.
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before carrying out tasks like deletion, protection, banning users, and editing protected pages. Most of what you do is easily reversible by other sysops, apart from page history merges and image deletion, so please be especially careful with those. You might find the
557:Залили в татарскую вику статью о Татарстане из ттатарской энциклопедии. Там выдержка из нашей конституции, которая в свою очередь приведена под российскую, татарским по белому: Татарстан - госво, связанное с Россией на правах её субъекта.... Т.е. надо бы на страницу
2721:Что касается постскриптума, то я, боюсь, не очень понял суть вопроса. Вы имели в виду, будут ли традиционные, "бумажные" энциклопедии (Британника, Коламбия) пополняться из Вики? Теоретически, это, конечно, возможно. Практически, я в этом очень и очень сомневаюсь.
475:âàðèàíòà (âïîëíå ìîæåò îêàçàòüñÿ, ÷òî ðóññêèé âàðèàíò ýòî óæå òðàíñëèòåðàöèÿ, ê ïðèìåðó, ñ áàøêèðñêîãî). Ïðè òðàíñëèòåðàöèè êàâêàçñêèõ ÿçûêîâ èñïîëüçîâàíèå "j" ìîæåò áûòü â ñàìûé ðàç. Íî ýòî óæå áóäóò äðóãèå ïðàâèëà - ðóññêèé ÿçûê òóò áóäåò íå ïðè äåëàõ.
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In any case, feel free to drop me a note if you want to further discuss this or if you have questions and suggestions of any kind. I noticed that you are planning to work on oblasts of Ukraine—wish you the best of luck with that! As I found out with the
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only produces 14,642 hits. Now, I am not a huge fan of using Google to resolve these kinds of disputes, although I recognize that this method has its merits. In this particular case, however, the merits of Google comparison are pretty weak. Let's take
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of course. Pelmeni are kind of like ravioli, have meat filling, but are shaped differently (it is really hard to explain in words). As for sirniki, I am sorry, I just don't remember the details. They do contain cottage cheese, however. Hope this helps!
2649:) might be sufficient, because the tool-tip appears over the link with a perfectly appropriate title. The ambiguousness of the abbreviation is enough to make the unfamiliar reader pause and check the title, but won't slow you down or clutter the page.
332:Что касается "моего народа" (какого именно?), близости России к Северной Корее и педалирования отчества, то тут, к сожалению, ход ваших мыслей мне был не совсем ясен, особенно в применении к вышенаходящейся (и, как я считал, законченной) дискуссии.--
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Again, I apologize for the haste—I should have probably waited with the edits till Monday. Anyway, what's done is done, and I just hope you would have engough patience to read through my rattle below to better understand why I undid your changes.
307:Ёжик и другие! Не знаю, о чем вы тут говорили, но в великорусский традиционализм с элементами феодальных пережитков давайте не впадать. Отчества эти и на русском не сильно нужны, а уж в английском... Непосредственно по теме спора: Путин известен
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Thanks, it made me wonder that the election page stated the election did not start until the 4th, but the actual voting was active. I kind of tested to see if it works, and since it did... well, you get the picture. Thanks for the note,
3094:, and let me know if you want me to produce a similar page for St. Petersburg. The article will have the lists of administrative entities (not just the districts), as well as information on subordination. The layout will be the same.—
467:ßíêè íà ñàìîì äåëå è ïðî "zh" íå äîãàäàþòñÿ, ÷òî ýòî "æ". Íî íàñ÷¸ò èñïîëüçîâàíèÿ "j" âìåñòî "dzh" ÿ íå ñîãëàñåí. Ðóññêîå "äæ" - ýòî äâà çâóêà, â òî âðåìÿ êàê àíãëèéñêîå "j" - ýòî çâóê îäèí (çâîíêîå "ch"). Ïîýòîìó äëÿ òðàíñëèòåðàöèè
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article. (I am tempted to do do this myself, but I wouldn't rob you of priority, glory and the rest :-) Here we can all discuss several confusing things, bout for russians to write for English and for English reading these translits.
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Thanks for the explanation. I dug out my Russian dictionary and indeed the accents are standard. The only slight problem I can see is that the accented cyrillic version gives rather poor results when used in Google searches. For
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Sure, that sounds good. I think we can have the stand-alone list and a separte article and a template footer to be in the articles about each district (none are written yet, but hopefully they will be. ] 15:06, Nov 18, 2004 (UTC)
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of these rules applies where a different English form is well established by general usage and custom: e.g. Tchaikovsky, not Chaykovsky". This will enable you to shorten the article and omit all the "Alexei, not Aleksey" business.
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Gee, 3 weeks later I finally see that you left me this message. Great attention to detail on my part, won't you say? :) Anyway, I did move the article. It's amazing that you had enough patience to wait for me to move it for 3
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Two questions. One - can you please let me know where this policy is described? Two - who decides what is the most common name, i.e., how does one determine whether a full name or a shorter name is more common than the other?
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in fact used on Russian Knowledge (XXG). They started doing it fairly recently, so there are still many articles that do not have accents. Of course, not every word is supposed to be accented, only the bolded subject of the
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better than inventing new ones. I myself am often tempted to change particular styles and formatting, but a mere thought of the number of places the changes would need to occur is usually enough to stop such a temptation :)
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in case you plan to add more of those. I like the box you did a lot, but since the article it will eventually be replaced with will have much more information, I don't know if you decide to proceed with the boxes or not.
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before you lunge into a fight that's already been fought. I am perfectly aware of the dispute and, honestly, I don't care if the city is called one way or another. I am merely stating that the consensus have been to use
561:выложить обе позиции: и по Конституции Татарстана и по Конституции России, с прояснением ситуации. Тем более что для англоязычного зарубежного пользователя российский основной закон - не последняя инстанция. Как говорили
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opposes this notation as being too long. I was proposing to put transliteration into a separate block (as you rightfully mentioned it is derivative information), but Cantus opposed with a promise to explain why in the
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There are still several forms used for translations and transliterations on Knowledge (XXG) for Russian, Ukrainian, Belorusian and their intersections, and if we can agree on a convention it will be easier for readers.
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Yes, I can try. In fact, I thought of that at first, but the four smallest districts in the downtown are so small also in map that two-digit numbers can hardly fit there. I will see today if it looks good or not. --
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Hi Heegoop! I changed the sections back, and explained why in the edit summary. As 2000 is the last year of the 20th century, it belongs to 1990s (there must be 10 years in all decades!). Let me know if you have
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I'll copy the table verbatim for now, so it will be at least placed somewhere where it can actually be found and commented on, not to mention tons of related material that can be added to it. Pleasure working with
1853:
Your corrections to my edits on the Russian republics articles don't suggest I severely screwed them up ;). It's just that you didn't like that I changed the box's format without your permission. Take it easy.
879:. You might consider my views and opinions to be foolish, misguided, and devoid of good sense... fair enough, but to call opinions "errors" smacks of the Holy Inquisition, not to say the spirit of Stalinism.
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for an example). This is also done to aide some backwards-oriented search engines index the words properly (so, with two versions, both an accented and non-accented variant will be indexed). The Project is
3032:
Finally, just to let you know—the box header should read "Districts (районы)" instead of "Districts (районов)". That actually was a mistake on my part—in Russian, the word "districts" in the "consists of
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Listen Kyiv(Kiev) is Ukrainian city - capital of Ukraine, and so in Ukrainian transliteraion it is Kyiv, not Kiev - it is Russian transliteration. OK? Then let be Київ - Kyiv, but no Russian Киев = Kiev.
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I did, however, wanted to let you know a couple of things regarding the Administrative division section. I am generally trying to separate this information into a standalone article (see, for example,
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One problem came... what is that Lisi Nos district? I couldn't find it, but if we number the list, it will be assigned a separate number, so .. otherwise the alphabetical numbering works fine. -- Huopa
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Gee, thanks :) I am not sure though if I'll be able to handle all the new responsibilities that come with this status. Is there anything special (meaning time-consuming) I will absolutely have to do
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I sure envy you that you can actually select the best system to use for Ukrainian articles, because there are not that many existing articles that should be changed to start with :) Great job on the
2788:Есть ещё слова которые даже в ркуском тексте пишутся татарскими буквами (или по татарским правилам чтнеия). Их скорей всего лучше писать с настрочными, создав конечно густую сеть редиректов :) Напр:
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I don't think RfC pages should have wound up on VfD in the first place. Aren't they supposed to be archived indefinitely? Anyway, I'd say remove them from VfD for sure, they don't belong there.—
750:!!! In fact, the transliteration article's table is a compilation of the transliteration rules which are most popular on Knowledge (XXG). That, of course, leaves quite a few articles that use a
426:Есть ли транслитерация для казахской, украинской кириллиц и для кириллиц народов России. Если чё - могу помочь с башкирским и марийским, м.б. с чувашским. Татарский в транслитерации не нуждается.
584:Пока ссылку не нашёл: напечатаю сам (я думаю достаточно одного предложения): РТ - суверн., демократ, правовое гос-во, субъект межд. права, ассоц с РФ на основе Договор. "О разгр. полном. и т.д."
1674:. I know it was an ugly porno pic for some time (it wasn't me who changed it to that shit!), but yesterday I've uploaded correct Avrora as Aurora.jpg again. To me it looks OK now. Please, check
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gives me 182 hits, whereas "Hazret Medzhidovich Sovmen" gives me not a single one. So based on that we'd say that the former is the most common, and so we should title the article by that name.
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It probably is funny, but I did not understand what you meant before until you explained it to me. It's like there was a brick in my brains blocking circuits responsible for bloody obvious :)—
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be quite common for the names of many minor geographical objects, as well as for the names of not-so-famous-but-still-worth-an-encyclopedia-article-about-them people (as with Mr. Darkin above).
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convention (or do not use any convention at all), but at least it minimizes work on making all of the articles consistently transliterated for whoever might want to engage in such an activity.
2904:На Söyembikä имеются три редиректа—Suyumbika, Soyembika и Suyumbike. Если какой-то из них неверен и с ним надо сделать что-то, что можно сделать только администратору, то дайте знать—сделаю.
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practice/practise in the matter of how our words are spelled/spelt, then surely we can live with Sergei/Sergey without screaming "foul" whenever we see the alternative spelling. -- (Soroka)
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In russian (the way I speak it :D) it is written камчатка so...in english : "Kamchatka" . Maybe if you want to say The Kamtchatkan territory or something you could put "Kamchaskaya oblast
3437:
The election doesn't start until midnight UTC, it was just switched on for a few minutes for testing. I'm going to delete the log from those few minutes, you'll have to vote again. --
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I noticed you added many soaps to the years in television pages. Are you interested in them, or have you watched them, or what? I'm always interested to hear opinions about the shows.
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this discussion to Kamchatka talk page to be referred to when commenting out your change. The redirects should be fine, after all, even if it is a typo, it is not an uncommon one.--
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As for the difference between "transliteration" and "transcription"—I am perfectly aware of the difference. I would, however, disagree with you that the convention described in the
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think 2000 was the first year of the 21st century), I will change "Years in television" back. Should have done my research first :) This does get confusing at times though.—
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Oh, no, I'll have to "exercise care"! :) Just kidding, of course. If you or someone else wish to nominate me, I will be honored to accept the nomination. Thanks again.--
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Children off some years. For example, Guiding Light, which was popular in the 1950s and 1960s, is the second-lowest-rated soap today, and isn't all that popular anymore).
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us, and we will appreciate you a lot. The main benefit is that it is simpler for you (as author) to do it, than for others. For example, now I see your changes in
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of the map, so that the numbers could be seen without the need to enlarge that image. Tell me what you think. Moscow could use similar district map too. -- Huopa
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Don't worry about priority, glory, and the rest since everything is under the GDFL license anyway. It's not like I was working on a book to be published :)
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As for Moscow, if you can create a similar map, I will certainly be able to compile an article on administrative division of the city to go along with it.—
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of information to read through and probably is not fun at all). While I do not claim I am the only person who is right about this (you will find that
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Sounds like fun. Дайте мне немного. 3 или 4 килограмма хорошо. Darn I wish I had a Cyrillic Keyboard! I have to use babelfish, even tho I'm fluent!
329:статьи, то тут уж, извините, совсем другой балет. Хотя бы один раз полное имя упомянуть надо, и великорусский традиционализм тут вовсе не при чём.
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I mean that when articles on each district are written, we can put the template footer at the bottom of each article. ] 23:00, Nov 20, 2004 (UTC)
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when it is a commonly accepted convention" section of the Transliteration of Russian into English article (though "Tchaikovsky" is probably the
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replacing a common knowledge with a newly invented theories, I will be happy to change my point of attention. Ok, looking into the article...
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Nothing major - just wanted to say, nice work on keeping the 'years in television' pages sorted: a heroic task given how chaotic they can be!
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places quote 21 raions, some quote 20, do you for sure the number of raions? I could only find a list of 20 raions from SPB official pages.
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Despite I haven't seen any situations yet when you needed the admin rights, I clearly see the situations when they would be handy for you!
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more articles to update to new conventions than just the ones concerning Ukrainian. I'll follow up on your link and do some more reading.
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for Ukrainian names in Knowledge (XXG) articles. How do we resolve this rare instance of one transliteration for both languages?
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keeping the list in the alphabetical order as it is now is probably a better solution. Anyway, let me know what you think.
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Argun (Ergun) is a tributary of the Amur. It forms a bit of the border between China and Russia, just north of Mongolia.
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totally mangled result. What is the use for these accents, exactly? Are they even correct in the Russian language?
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The year 2000 is not in the 1990s because a. It doesn't have 199? in its name b. It's not on the list of years in the
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That is a porn picture and there are children on this website think of them next time revert me. God bless you--
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No problem, there's probably going to be more of those anyway :) Plus, I found a couple other shows I missed.--
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Wikipedians by edits, I was wondering if you would be willing to multi-license all of your contributions or at
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I would also like to apologize for the delayed response; hopefully you are still interested in this discussion.
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Thanks for the compliment. As a matter of fact, I do them to relax, so nothing heroic on my part, really :)--
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synchronize the Russian article with it? It may take a while till I get to it, but I am willing to do it.--
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Am I trying to make everyone use the (=mine) system on Knowledge (XXG)? in fact the answer is no."
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15:30, Nov 6, 2004 (UTC). Let me know if you have questions—I'm here to help (among other things).
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synchronized, so you may just see the fifference and add them. Thanx again for your cooperation :)
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where you got the images and I'll tag them for you. Thanks so much. ] 21:47, Dec 10, 2004 (UTC)
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those on the geographic articles. Over 90% of people asked have agreed. For More Information:
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Yes, there are only 20 as of 2004 (this is per OKATO—Russian administrative classificator).
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Hope this resolves the issue. Please don't hesitate to ask me if you have any questions.—
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again and try to refresh browser's cache (F5) - this cruiser must be somewhere there...
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there is much I can do to make everybody write the headings only in English, though :)--
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Well, it's just a start. I'm going to get back to it—it still needs a lot of work.--
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Wow. Удачи. будим оба "сисоп"! fun, eh? ] 16:16, 19 Aug 2004 (UTC)
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Regarding Ukrainian transliterations, I've created an article at
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as "(k)harasho", because this is how the word is pronounced, but
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Having one transliteration system in place helps reduce confusion
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Nah, that's not something that can be given — only acquired :) --
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3562:" template into their user page, but there are other options at
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PS. As for supporting you as a sysop, you're of course welcome!
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3175:). I did not realize that the show was still on in early 1985.
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The years it ran should therefore read: 1963-1989; 1996; 2005-
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ps вообще англоязычные энциклопедии будут пополняться из Вики?
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Nick: The most widely-accepted theory among experts is that the
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3346:
Isn't it about time we got articles on Russia up to standard?
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can be expanded into an article, but that's sure helluva work.
2895:выглядит правильно, по крайней мере в плане контента. Статьи
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the admin status is granted. Thanks for the support though!--
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transliteration (see Transliteration of Russian into English))
2988:, but since I am the only active participant of the project (
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Thanks for the compliment about Romanization. I just posted
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example - can a one-case example constitute a convention?).
213:, I recognize my mistake: official English name for Kazan is
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As for creating a page, please take a look at, for example,
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Peninsula are all related and perhaps remnants of an earlier
890:
You go to some pains in your response to admit pluralism:
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status? (You can use {{gfdl}} if you release it under the
2748:Вот как традиционно транслитерируются буквы: Согласные:
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Knowledge (XXG):Requests_for_adminship#Current_nominations
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http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761556603/Siberia.html
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I see from your contributions that you are interested in
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include a request for evidence/refutation in this comment
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Knowledge (XXG):Administrators#Becoming_an_administrator
3721:, etc.) If you don't know what any of this means, just
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with an apostrophe for the soft sign, which is used in
1783:...for making you have to go and add "UK" to all those
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entries I added to the Years in Television pages! :-)
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Anyway, as my third piece of dubious evidence, google
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for now, leave in the two redirects that I added (ie
1459:. Am I correct in assuming that Kamchatska is a (less
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That's my understanding of the two terms in any case.
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It's too bad Knowledge (XXG) puts the tool-tip over
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The subject of the sentence fragment appears first.
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Anyway, at least the looks are nice now. Thanks.--
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Thanks. It's not like my life depended on it :-) --
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Too late :) Already did it the other way around.--
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Congratulations, Ezhiki! ] 14:38, 26 Aug 2004 (UTC)
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komchaska oblast" , etc. ] 20:46, 20 Aug 2004 (UTC)
1149:Transliteration to English or English names? About
746:(not written or edited by yours truly, by the way)
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No problem really, I've already changed the map. --
3184:all that close; so, did I miss something about 96?
2575:this morning, too. I think I may do some work on
1720:regarding the Tatar city/town names is settled. --
3739:The image was taken from the Estonian article on
3647:Knowledge (XXG):Requests for comment/Jwrosenzweig
3643:Knowledge (XXG):Requests for comment/Slrubenstein
2670:, so users don't even read them. I just filed a
2225:, just as I was adding some relevant material to
1172:Knowledge (XXG): Naming conventions (use English)
3651:Knowledge (XXG):Requests for comment/John Kenney
3529:, to use our articles. Since you are among the
3271:
3133:Talk:Administrative division of Saint Petersburg
3849:
3265:topics. Perhaps you would like to join the new
2778:í - ei (не общепринято, да и встречается редко)
2685:What kind of cities has official English names?
2341:Most of the same reasoning goes for using the "
1488:only to later have to replace it with kamchatka
698:. Google, however, will give 114,000 hits for
3845:So, here's a summary of previous discussions:
3838:and on Russian Knowledge (XXG) as well). Mr.
3695:Hi! Thanks for uploading the following image:
3475:, non? You know you'll love it. best wishes --
2642:You know, I think just using (транзлітерація,
164:How about you putting your table into the new
2549:Anyway, thanks again for your interest! Best,
2103:The word "Komi" has several meanings, as the
1441:as you, and virtually everyone else, favors.
802:17:02, 8 Aug 2004 Ezhiki m (Moved back using
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2804:That's a porn picture no if's and's or but's
1511:, rather, comment out my alternate spelling
1492:So, true, this is hardly sterling evidence.
642:Thanks for going through all that trouble!--
565:, "должна быть выслушана и другая сторона".
2013:: Altai Republic=41,400; Altay Republic=708
1507:instead of entirely deleting Kamchatska in
653:It's my party and I'll krai if I want to...
217:, Qazan and Kazan'are only local names, as
145:(2)Bely OK, but Siniy is better than Siny.
1272:How about nominating you for an adminship?
545:http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/13767b.htm
3676:Hey, I'm going to shift your comments to
3092:Administrative divisions of Bashkortostan
2978:Administrative divisions of Bashkortostan
2927:I would strongly recommend that you read
2214:Russian & Ukrainian, transliteration
1462:common) alternate spelling of Kamchatka?
1303:to do anything special. Go take a look:
834:17:04, 8 Aug 2004 Ezhiki m (rv translit
113:Jewish Autonomous Oblast/Birobidzhan/etc
3731:P.S. You can help tag other images at
3709:. Could you add one to let us know its
3461:Knowledge (XXG):WikiProject Wiki Syntax
2581:Transliteration of Russian into English
2520:Transliteration of Russian into English
2227:Transliteration of Russian into English
1503:Anyway, I suggest the following steps:
1007:Transliteration of Russian into English
955:Transliteration of Russian into English
759:Transliteration of Russian into English
630:Transliteration of Russian into English
537:http://www.centerru.com/regions/sib.asp
166:Transliteration of Russian into English
3705:I notice it currently doesn't have an
3765:Hi there! To answer your questions:
1212:is KGB rules on Knowledge (XXG)? 8^)
866:17:19, 8 Aug 2004 Ezhiki m (translit
850:17:05, 8 Aug 2004 Ezhiki m (translit
597:http://www.tatar.ru/constitution.html
416:Национальные названия народов России.
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2986:Russian federal subjects WikiProject
2418:Russian Federal Subjects WikiProject
486:3/4 kilograms of unhealthy attitude?
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3455:The Humungous Image Tagging Project
3131:Please continue this discussion at
3078:St. Petersburg administrative areas
3037:districts" construction is used in
2982:Administrative divisions of Adygeya
2345:in Russian" notation vs. "Russian:
2221:You reverted some of my changes at
2205:Please continue this discussion at
387:in English), and Кедр Корейский is
355:does not translate into English as
3781:all Greek words from the articles.
3612:, I would like to know that too.
2984:). This is done as a part of the
1716:. I believe the disagreement with
1324:. You have to formally accept it.
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3608:". If you only prefer using the
3424:Done. Thanks for catching that.—
3283:Russian Collaboration of the Week
3267:Russian wikipedians' notice board
2891:Не очень понял проблему. Статья
1877:Well, what a turn of events :) --
1453:in Knowledge (XXG) but only found
1151:Knowledge (XXG):Naming convention
682:Primorsk(y/iy/i) Kra(i/y/j/jj/yi)
379:in English), Кедр европейский is
3564:Template messages/User namespace
3553:Free the Rambot Articles Project
3416:which makes no sense. Thanks. --
3412:page is currently a redirect to
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1601:Congratulations! You are now an
1477:I always have troubles with that
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1481:but that was at a university...
1320:You got yourself a nomination:
3715:GNU Free Documentation License
3700:Image:IngushetiaCoatofArms.png
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1138:Talk:List of city name changes
548:between broad or narrow sense.
508:That's okay, I'll go 'aquire'
229:Человече, ответь по-русски! --
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3657:. Each of them was listed by
2263:. I've been using the form (
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3891:Ëzhiki (erinaceus europeaus)
3791:Ëzhiki (erinaceus europeaus)
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1832:Thanks for wikify the page--
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265:Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin
3717:, {{fairuse}} if you claim
3459:Hi. You've helped with the
3159:Paul the Picky Who Fan ;-)
2239:transliteration for Russian
1514:ie, use <!-- ... --: -->
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2674:at bugzilla.wikipedia.org.
2668:every single freakin' link
2374:: Гiалгiай Мохк) is a ....
2362:: Респу́блика Ингуше́тия;
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1449:node_ue: I was looking up
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587:Ну и т.д. Потом найду. --
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2476:Респу́блика Ингуше́тия,
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363:). They are species of
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3299:Every week, a lacking
3142:in Years in Television
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2470:Republic of Ingushetia
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3616:what you think at my
3548:Multi-Licensing Guide
3513:if they prefer. The
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2229:. I transliterated
1892:Can you please move
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1528:Kamchatska Peninsula
318:Здравствуйте, Алекс!
3860:will also look for
3707:image copyright tag
3542:Multi-Licensing FAQ
3349:Hope to see you on
2992:—sorry, I couldn't
2829:Years in television
2237:official system of
1942:as well. Thanks. --
1251:Years in television
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3856:(so, a search for
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2573:Ukrainian alphabet
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1919:Also, please move
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3691:Unverified images
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