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assessment." and you provided a citation. I am in favor of
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I asked you about curated content. You showed me some videos you have, and yes, they are very interesting and I think they could be shared here. You also have collections of reviews of health care organizations. These reviews might be used to fill out articles - I would like to ask you how objective
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Like DGG, I also want clarification of the nature of this content. From one perspective it seems like these program evaluations you have are supposed to be objective information and reviewed by some third party, but from another perspective somehow the reviewers were permitted to write in PR-jargon.
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