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aviation than you or me. To the various points: The "claim" of being easy to fly. This claim was contained within brochures received by an SAAA member who sought my counsel in the late 70's. My opinion was not supportive of the claim. I suggest that later experience showed the original design, and even the later variants, to be not easy to fly. "Most popular aircraft in modern history", which I changed to "most desired, albeit unproven, light aircraft". I suggest that the most popular a/c in modern history is probably the 747; hence my qualification "light aircraft". Re "Most popular" it was probably the 'most unpopular' experimental cat. a/c among those who purchased kits; but as evidenced by the sales volume it was certainly the "most desired". Re my words "albeit unproven", the record shows that it was definitely an unproven design that was offered. Re "decidely fast" or my words "far too fast", this is mainly semantics, I think 'far too fast' gives a better understanding to the layman. Re "rewarding, if demanding', to which I added "to the pilot" because that is where the decision about any a/c being "rewarding, if demanding" lies. Go kindly
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as well as in the fire service training videos). I also have noticed some differences to other kinds of atmospheric vortices such as you noted near the top of some forms of fire whirl, however, they do seem to me to be vortical (perhaps even a
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May I please ask that you start a new section, which should follow "Transvenous Pacing-temporary" and be headed "Endocardial Pacing- temporary", then to move the rhythm strip & its caption to the new section.I suggest the text for the new section
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Have pondered your earlier reply many times. I apologize Sir. I am older now and I still think an Outside In method of pacing versus Inside Out is novel. These leads are dry. Computational applications abound. lbeben 01:45, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
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