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international law, contrary to the spirit and objectives of the United Nations, and condemned by the civilised world. The term �ludob�jstwo� is the Polish equivalent of the English word �genocide�, which was introduced to legal language and practice towards the end of World War II. The subject of genocide was expounded in the Convention on the prevention and punishment of crimes of genocide, adopted by the UN General Assembly on 9 December 1948. In art. II and III, this Convention lay down the definition of genocide and the punishable forms thereof, and placed the parties under an obligation to make it enforceable by introducing suitable legal provisions to their domestic legislation (art. V of the Convention). Because of the circumstances of the Katyn Massacre, i.e. the fact that it was planned down to the very last detail by the highest party and state authorities of the USSR and carried out by the state apparatus under their authority, and on account of the scale and cruelty of the extermination of thousands of innocent people and the motives of the perpetrators, there is justification in considering the permissibility of applying the qualification of genocide within the meaning of art. 11 of the convention of 9 December 1948. It should be noted that the application of the conventional term genocide to the events that are to be investigated may arouse reservations especially with regard to an assessment of the motives of the perpetrators, i.e. whether their act was committed with the intention of eliminating the entire population or parts of it, and whether the provisions of the Convention are retroactive. Regarding the first matter, i.e. the motives of the perpetrators, in order to reach a conclusion it is necessary to refer once again to the contents of the ACP (B) Politburo decision of 5 March 1940 and its definition of Polish citizens as �avowed, incorrigible enemies of Soviet authority.� In this context, it becomes fundamentally important to determine the circle of victims of this Massacre and find out whether the motive of those who issued the order on 5 March 1940 was to eliminate Polish citizens on account of their nationality. It is generally known that the overwhelming majority of the prisoners of war and civilians selected for extermination were of Polish nationality. There were also members of other nationalities, including Jews, Ukrainians and Belorussians, but they all constituted a group of Polish citizens. One should bear in mind that the Republic of Poland was a multinational state in which various nationalities existed side-by-side and were treated under the law as "ethnic components� of the Polish Nation. This formulation was adopted by Polish criminal law doctrine in a commentary to art. 152 of the 1932 Criminal Code (�Whoever publicly insults or defames the Polish Nation or State...�), which included in the legal concept of �Polish Nation" all the citizens of the Polish State, regardless of their nationality. The selection of persons for extermination was also characterised by the fact that they formed part of the intellectual elite of the Polish Nation which, under the appropriate conditions, could assume leadership. It transpires from the surviving documentation on the prison camps at Kozelsk, Starobelsk and Ostashkov, where, as was mentioned earlier, reeducational tasks were undertaken, that this group of people did not change its attitudes and views and was determined to struggle for the return of its Fatherlands independence. Hence, L. Beria's note of 5 March 1940, recommending the shooting of the Poles, contained the remark whereby the prisoners of war expect liberation in order to be able to join the struggle against Soviet authority.The physical elimination of these people was meant to prevent the rebirth of Polish statehood based on their intellectual potential. Therefore the decisions of elimination were taken with the intention of destroying the strength of the Polish Nation and liquidate its elites. This thesis is confirmed by the careful selection of candidates to be shot, out of hundreds of thousands of other Poles in Soviet prisons and camps, on the basis of their social and professional status and their functions. Therefore one can conclude that the murder of Polish prisoners of war and Polish civilians by the NKVD was dictated by a desire to liquidate part of the Polish national group. Hence, this action assumed the status of genocide as described in art. II of the Convention on the prevention and punishment of the crime of genocide. The view whereby the extermination of Polish citizens is an act of genocide was also expressed in the USSR�s stance during the trial of Nazi war criminals before the Nuremberg Tribunal after the end of World War II. --

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easy way for average people to dismiss anyone who questions what happened that day when they are also associated with anti-semitic remarks). At the moment there is a 9/11 researcher who I feel should not be listed on wikipedia because his website links to what I consider antisemitic comments. I also feel this inappropriate for wikipedia to be hosting this person's website information given that he damages the credibility of others who have real questions about 9/11 by pairing that information on his website with antisemitism.

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Slovak!) and he is in UDMR a ethnical party of Hungarians in Romania. Also some of Jews from the east of Moldavia (Bessarabia) were soviet agents like Ana Pauker who was Foreign Minister of Romania and sign the paper to give Soviet Union the Snake Isle. So stop blaming other people for what happened in the past because the Jews had their own fault. Of course the Holocaust was a stoopid thing. Next time try to understand the point of view of the people instead of acusing them! Stop doing a false propaganda!

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nothing of 26,000, but as another editor pointed out, it was only a preface to a book I have not read. Every essay I have puts the number of Jews killed in Latvia at around 65,000, but the last large massacre to take place was a year before the Arajs was formed. Personally I doubt it could be as high as 26,000, and no historian that I have read has given an estimate, let alone one that high.

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it reexamines the issues entirely and adds new evidence from DNA and documents pertaining to migrations, names, and origins. I re-added the article and removed the book, until such time as the 2nd edition of my book comes out (anticipated October 2006), at which time the book will be a sufficient reference. - KAB

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To be clear: I am not convinced I am right. You certainly seem more well read than I am. And I am a new user of wiki. It is just that: a) Your reference (at least what I can access) does not support the claim b) I have read nothing that suggests it to be 26,000 c) I have read things that imply the

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Goodoldpolonius2, I have recently being doing research on Baltic colaborators, particularly the Arajs Commandos and other Latvian people. I found that your summary of Arajs commandos to having killed 26,000 Jews is... well I am concerned about the accuracy of figure. The essay you linked mentioned

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White girls who refuse the advances of Negroids, are publicly gang-raped so as to serve as examples to other shuddering Aryan females. Children are now taken from their houses, by force, to be brought up in a "Multi-Cultural" home of Negroids, Arabs, Muslims and Gooks, all in the name of "brotherhood

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Propaganda was central to Nazi Germany. This page is a collection of English translations of National Socialist propaganda for the period 1933-1945, part of a larger site on German propaganda. The goal is to help people understand the great totalitarian systems of the twentieth century by giving them

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It's one of the best ways to shut down a real investigation. A professor in Utah just gave a talk last night (7 rooms were opened up to deal with the overflow) and there was bomb scare. People don't want these questions asked. Pairing the info with antisemitism is one of the best ways to do that.

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Hi. I have a concern about a situation in the area of the 9/11 attacks. I don't know if you are familiar with the fact that people who question the official story of 9/11 are often smeared because of infiltration by anti-semites and people who try to pair 9/11 research with holcaust denial (it's an

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Goodoldpolonius2 improperly removed my journal article examining "The Origins of East European Jews" while leaving my outdated book that was written 5 years prior. Judging from the rationale he used for removing it, I suppose he thought my article was only a rehash of the book, but in fact it is not;

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Good luck with that. Trying to improve the logic, size, and appearance of that template seems to get one called ignorant of the topic, a POV-pusher, etc, etc. I'm still of the view that it really should be made more hierarchical (the better do deal with the size, and genuine link-relatedness), mind

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Okay well I did some reading on this last night making sure that I fully knew what I was talking about. Turned out I got the dates of Arajs confused with that of the Latvian Legion, Arajs were formed nearly straight after the German occupation of Latvia. I now am not as convinced of my point of c)

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Hi! Man you just provoked me to tell that stupid messages about the holocaust and all the thing. Of course the Holocaust was a very very said thing. Why do you really like to stop other people opinions? I only told my opinion about the page of Iasi. A page about a city must promote that city and not

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to defend the correction I made to reflect the historic reality of the Jewish people's relationship to the Land of Israel (unnecessary as the history class on the Jewish people should've been, at least for you). Now I have been waiting two days for your decency to at least reply? Could you make your

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Given the sensitivities touched upon by the Holocaust article, I think it would be useful for each claim to be at least footnoted. Simply pointing to the links and saying (essentially) "find it yourself" isn't very helpful to the reader. On the other hand, it isn't a "critical" problem requiring an

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You appear to be the "author" of this article, and specifically of a link to a document on the Web site of the National Security Agency that is not found by the link. I'm unable to ascertain whether the link was ever valid. I've marked the link "Dead Link" in keeping with practice I've observed. So

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Because of your post about taking a "wiki break" I am not even sure this message will get to you. If it does than drop me an email or use my talk page or something, because I would love to discuss it. Even if the message is a simple "I am right, you need to read book x" I would appreciate knowing

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The British National Party's attempt to hold a fundraising event with the French Nazi leader Jean-Marie Le Pen backfired spectacularly on Sunday 25 April. A campaign organised by Unite Against Fascism trashed any hope the BNP had of favourable press coverage for their "respectable" black-tie dinner

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You should admit the truth even if you do not like it! Some of the Jews were good Romanian citizens, but some of them, like the Jews from Transilvania were magyaryzed and faithful to Budapesta and a strong example is today Congressman Peter Ecstein Kovacs (his mother a Jewish woman and the father a

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Hi, I have had the pleasure of translating the article to Norwegian Knowledge (XXG). I am not sure who is main author of the article, but I take the chance that you might have some weight on it. The article is good, but it stops kind of abrupt. I believe there several Jewish communities in London,

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as many as 5,000 jews" Highly speculative. I don't understand why put unknown data in your facts. Maybe an official number it will be more correct? "Romanian authorities reported that 1,900 jews boarded the train and “only” 1,194 died." At least that "only" is malicious. I really think no one told

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On the matter of the Telegram, I have other questions you might be able either to answer or to give me further guidance on. The Telegram is described as a "fortnightly report." This makes me suppose that there might have been other "fortnightly reports" at least preceding and presumably following

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It's fascinating for us as Holocaust survivors to read many of the comments on this list. We shake our heads and are sad. We are learning rapidly what seems to be going on in the "intellectual/professorial" community in this country. We had no idea of some of these view points, and assume that is

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I know I was a bear during the nomination process, but really I only wanted the best for this article. I hope you appreciated my suggestions and commentary. I could have just looked over it and made one or two minor suggestions as (I think) too many people do with FAs; but I felt I owed Knowledge

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The Nazis were forced to retreat to BNP leader Griffin's farm in Wales. The anti-BNP mobilisation was reported in the press, along with details of Le Pen's Nazi beliefs and criminal convictions. Some 1,000 people joined Unite's rally in Birmingham on Sunday. They cheered as Weyman Bennett, joint

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Goodoldpolonius2, the issue was already in the Holocaust talk page and other editors already had opportunities for comment. You have single-mindedly moved the content without yourself placing its move up for discussion. Perhaps you are the one who should have placed the move up for discussion?

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I suggest removing the quote on "milions" and giving a sentence-some people believe that comparision between antisemitism and antipolonism of Jewish society isn't possible as antisemitism led to one of the greatest genocides of human history, while antipolonism fills the criteria of standard if

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In Prussia, and later in Germany, Poles were forbidden to build homes, and their properties were targeted for forced buy-outs, financed by the Prussian and German governments. Otto von Bismarck described Poles, as animals (wolves), that "one shoots if one can" and implemented several harsh laws

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At this article, you made some changes to the introduction that I am interested in hearing more about. Unfortunately, felt the need to remove the changes for now, as there is no reference, and the material drastically changes the content. I haven't heard anything of this being debunked, and am

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I agree with your assessment of the article, and am happy to see you have returned the material with references. It is on my cleanup list, as it is very sloppy. Hopefully I will be able to pay it some attention soon so I can rewrite it and make it shine. Thank you for all your efforts here.

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No Rush to Judgment: by moving too slowly against Balkan atrocities, the world community is encouraging still more war crimes - by James O. Jackson (The Hague, November 1995). With reporting by James L. Graff/Zenica, J.F.O. McAllister/Washington, Nomi Morris/Berlin and Colin Soloway/Vitez

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The principles of international law adopted in the Statute of the Nuremberg Tribunal and subsequently expounded in the verdict by that Tribunal were confirmed in the UN General Assembly resolution no. 95(I) of 11 December 1946. That resolution also declares that genocide is a crime against

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The quotes you mentioned were removed by Balcer. I still think its right to say that it was one of the largest Alled POWs massacres(I didn't wrote "largest" as you claimed), but I realize that entering such information would be controversial and result in opposition from many users.

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I like you (not in any other then respect). You're a good historian and a realist. Unlike many people you realize such facts as that allies weren't "saint saviors and heroes that destroyed the evil force of axis" or that even big historical figures have some "dark" parts.

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The physical elimination of these people was meant to prevent the rebirth of Polish statehood based on their intellectual potential. Therefore the decisions of elimination were taken with the intention of destroying the strength of the Polish Nation and liquidate its

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A piece of American nazi propaganda: The year is 2025, White people HAVE become a MINORITY in America. On our streets hang Aryan men who refused to accept the "New Way," or perhaps they just looked too White. Perhaps they never thought MUD RULE would really come.

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that in any official way. And if the romanian authorities say 1900 jews, the most correct thing is to accept it (it's no small number). You may be right that some numbers say 2700, but the reverse is also true. The official numbers are the most correct to put in.

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Polish deaths are disputed as to they were part of Holocaust but Russian POWs and outspoken Lutherans aren't ? Seems very biased towards one nationality.The above mentioned groups would fill even less criteria then Poles. Thus it doesn't seem balanced view.

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Because of these three things I thought the need to bring it up. I am sure there is no need to stress how hard accurate numbers are due to original German propaganda followed by the USSR's "altered" history being the only one studied until 1991.

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It also helped because I have a couple of articles I have nominations in mind down the line for. I want to make sure they go in as ideal as I can make them. I'll let you know when they're up if you're interested (it will be a while, I think).

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Your response -- staying away from those pages -- is what I believe people like him want to happen, and exactly why SO many 9/11 sites are paired with holocaust denial. Two good resources for how that's done in the 9/11 truth movement are:

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01:19, 19 January 2006 (UTC) Thank you for your explanation. Moved then to proper place. Should be divided between Russians, Poles, Belarussians, what other nations classified as Slavs by Germans were subject to mass murder ?

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Temporarily I have placed the number of Polish deaths in the top three paragraphs. Your repeated removals of Polish death counts from top paragraphs, in various ways it gets written, after you consent to them, is noted.

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Excellent (and speedy) work. I find the whole subject so strange that it just begs credulity. The documentation you provided will really help. I hope future editors for this article will strive to do the same.

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The selection of persons for extermination was also characterised by the fact that they formed part of the intellectual elite of the Polish Nation which, under the appropriate conditions, could assume leadership.

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this report, numbering I should suppose in the dozens. Have any other fortnightly reports come to light, or is this one (which happens precisely to cover year-end 1942) the only one that has been noted?

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Goodoldpolonius2, the statement you made on Molobo's page that the sentence was the "only" acceptable one is .... wrong ... to put it kindly. You were the one that changed my edits into that sentence.

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Hi there, I am not sure if I am posting this correctly, but I have sent you an email message. I hope to hear back from you at your convenience. Thanks so much for your time and help. Best, Sandy

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Why is it whenever you post photos taken by Nazis you make mention of copyrights? Don't you know that after the war all Nazi copyrights, like patents, were revoked and taken by the allies?

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I have started a stub on Sadagura (Sadagora) -- would you like to contribute? I think the topic is quite fascinating, and frankly I am surprised that nobody has written about it before ....

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Thanks GOP2 for the credit, but I am not the author of any of these assertions. I will try to do some research, but maybe we should ask these questions at some widely-read forum. Cheers! ←

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what is being taught to our youngsters today? We now are beginning to understand a little more why our youngsters act and think the way they do, at least with respect to the Holocaust.

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page regarding the value and relevance of Koestler's work, and exactly how much mention (if any) it should received in the article. If you have a chance, would you mind weighing in?

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WARSAW, Dec. 21 -- A group of Roman Catholic nuns have agreed to remove their religious symbols and give up ownership rights to a cloister adjacent to the Auschwitz (``AUS'-shveetz

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The Polish news agency PAP says the nuns got $ 460,000 from the state for the deal, which could end three years of protests by Jewish groups against the Catholic institution.

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Do you want to make from Jews another kind of super people, like nazi considered themselves? That is not the right solution! And I am not afraid of you and your propaganda!

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