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editing mode (where an individual can edit articles through computer code). Any user on Knowledge (XXG) can switch between the two at any point in time by pressing a specific button in the toolbar of the editing box. If a user is in the visual mode there will be a editing bar that runs across the top of the web page. In the upper right corner you will see a big blue button that says "Save Page", if you click the button just to the left of that which looks like two sets of brackets (or the code for a hyperlink) than it will change the editing source layout to source editing mode. If you are already in source editing mode (code based layout) there will be a button at the top right hand corner of the input box information. It is marked with a picture of a pencil and if you click on it then it will change the page to the Visual mode. I don't know if you guys figured this out after i left class on Thursday, but i do know that many people weren't there when we discussed it, and i thought this could be helpful to bring up on your talk page. I'v already found that both modes have there pros and cons and constantly switching between the two from time to time is very helpful.
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other structures similar to those identified in the UTL LiDAR imagery (as well as an Aztec presence), is important to consider. Joyce is widely recognized as one of the world's foremost experts on the archaeology of Honduras, including both the Mesoamerican portions (in central and western Honduras) and the non-Mesoamerican portions (in eastern Honduras). Her relevant expertise--which is substantially different from that of Fisher, even though the two do overlap to some extent--is not adequately apparent if both of them are described in identical ways. I think the additional information improves the quality of the article. However, I am not willing to risk being blocked and losing my editing privileges over it. I do appreciate the mention of possible violations of 3RR by ThaddeusB, since he has also repeatedly reverted many of my own edits.
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Mesoamerican specialist and expert on Honduran archaeology from UC Berkeley, called it 'big hype' and 'bad archaeology'. She added, 'there is no White City. The White City is a myth'; 2) "Hasemann believed that rather than a single Ciudad Blanca there might be multiple Ciudades Blancas in la Mosquitia"; 3) "Most professional archaeologists remain skeptical that the various legends surrounding Ciudad Blanca refer to a specific site"; 4) "When asked if Ciudad Blanca had been found, Fisher laughed and said 'I don't think there is a single Ciudad Blanca. I think there are many.' The legend may hold cultural meaning, he said, but for archeologists it is mostly a distraction." Note that
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way (including in the lead) that it implies Morde's "City of the Monkey God" (which has never been demonstrated to actually exist) and Ciudad Blanca (which is also a matter of imagination, rumor, and maybe even "legend") are one and the same. This is a non-neutral interpretation that represents your specific POV (even to the extent that you have claimed the association is "obvious" when it is not).
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in MichoacĂĄn, Mexico" should be removed. Only that the additional "a Mesoamerican specialist with expertise in Western Mexico" is not needed (and not neutral in my opinion). (Joyce isn't even being debated. I am fine with leaving her bit as "expert on Honduran archaeology" because it is relevant to the context - Fisher's expertise on Mexico, even if true, is not relevant to the context.) --
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together that other sources do not is synthesis. (For example tying the "fact" that Fisher "specializes in Western Mexico" and the fact that he joined the UTL project. Of course here, the accuracy of the first "fact" is also disputed, but even if it was not it could be viewed as synthesis.) Allowing any fact regardless of context to appear in any article is a license to push a POV. --
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You're mistaken. There are a number of sources cited in the article that say that Ciudad Blanca doesn't exist and that reports of it probably don't refer to a single site. This is far from "the sources" implying the two are the same thing. Some quotations already in the article: 1) "Rosemary Joyce, a
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are relevant to this article is a reflection of his personal POV. It is overly narrow and restrictive. Because the very concept of "Ciudad Blanca" is controversial and is one that tends not to be used by professional archaeologists, his approach insures that the article will not be neutral. There are
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that Morde's city is Ciudad Blanca but as an association that has been made by specific authors. Interpreting it as a fact rather than as something that has been asserted by specific individuals as a matter of interpretation is where the issue of POV lies. At present, the article is worded in such a
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in this Knowledge (XXG) article is an example of pushing a POV. Your editing of this article, including assumptions such as the "fact" that Morde's "City of the Monkey God" is the same as "Ciudad Blanca," has been an example of synthesis. Your arbitrary restrictions on what sources are relevant--and
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I'm arguing to not take a position on his expertise. It does not take OR to abstain from taking a position. And you still have failed to provide any justification for why this phrase "a Mesoamerican specialist with expertise in Western Mexico" is necessary. Once again, what crucial information does
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And why exactly is mentioning Fisher's experience (LiDAR in Mexico) in the second sentence insufficient? Why is it necessary to both make a judgement about his expertise and state his experience. No one is arguing that the "had previously used LiDAR at the Purépecha archaeological site of Angamuco
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I can't help you guys if neither of you is willing to compromise. I need something to work with. Otherwise, take this to arbitration and see what happens. My guess is you both will be blocked for a day and then this will resume immediately afterwards. Let me start by asking, Thaddeus, what is wrong
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I feel that the issue of identification of the specific areas of specialization of Fisher and Joyce is pertinent to the article and to providing readers with meaningful and relevant background. Fisher's experience in Western Mexico, where there are large archaeological sites with Aztec pyramids and
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Yes, please respect the opinion of the third party arbitrator, who said, "But if the subject must be broached at all, then I would prefer a direct source, like the one Hoopes provided." Where we differ is on whether the subject must be broached at all. I think it must, and you disagree. The results
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Thanks for bringing this to my attention! I had been editing source code in Knowledge (XXG) for so long that I didn't realize they had added this "helper" mode. It makes editing a lot easier, though I would encourage you and anyone else to learn some source code basics, too. That can be helpful in
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Note that no source about the UTL project or Ciudad Blanca describes Fisher the way this article does... If you could, please also comment on whether "In mid-June 2012, archaeologist Christopher Fisher of Colorado State University, a Mesoamerican specialist with expertise in Western Mexico, joined
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have engaged in attacks and assumptions of bad faith and the situation has continued to escalate as a result. I tried to start over once - I am not sure what went wrong. We can try again if you are willing. You have to agree to respect third party input though. If Serendipitous again says they
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The talk page was used to form a consensus and that consensus was that it is preferred to not include the specialization. An edit was made on the basis of this established consensus. You then ignored it and put your version back without first seeking to change consensus. An arbitrator will look
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want a certain conclusion to be drawn as you have stated almost completely explicitly. I do not recall Fisher saying "please describe with as a Mesoamerican specialist with expertise in Western Mexico", probably because he didn't. Again, why is it insufficient to show he experience is in western
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It turns out that digital drop box was replaced with a tool referred to as ‘assignments’. Unfortunately, I could not find a tools called assignments either. The page above lists several options for sharing information including Blogs, Journals, Discussion Boards, and Wikis. It appears that we can
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No, I am not. That is your opinion of the situation - not a fact - and repeating it a 100 times doesn't make it so. You are the one that insisted your version had to stay in tact until talk said otherwise, not me. And you are also the one that restored your version after Serendipitous said they
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The comment is taken out of context. In the context it is used (about Mexican archeology), it is a complement. In a different context (Honduran archeology) it is a subtle undermining of Fisher's authority. It is also inaccurate as indicated by Fisher himself. I don't know how you expect us to
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Hoopes: before you go all gung-ho, I would ask, why do you feel that mentioning this guy's specialisation is important enough to risk an edit war? If this goes to arbitration, tehy won't say, "Well, fair's fair; he 3RR'd, the other guy 3RR'd, quid pro quo, it's over"; They will block both of you.
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And where exactly is this consensus that it "must be breached"? Both Serendipodous and I agree it is best not to mention it at all, yet you insist your opinion is correct and that it must be so. In other words, seeking a third party was a farce - if they agreed with you, great; if they didn't
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Hey Dr Hoopes, we were discussing in class about how some people were getting a different editing layout when they went to work on their Knowledge (XXG) pages. After messing around for awhile, I found that there is a Visual mode (where an individual can edit straight off the page) and a source
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Using only sources about the subject of an article avoids original research and synthesis. Just because something is true, doesn't make it relevant to all subjects. If other sources haven't drawn a conclusion about X in relation to Y, then Knowledge (XXG) should not either. Tying two facts
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Well I've had a look at the source; it's not an academic source but it's still a valid one. So as far as I'm concerned it can stay. If Thaddeus can find a better source that places Fisher's specialisation elsewhere, then fine. I don't think the issue is major enough to justify this amount of
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First of all, saying expertise and experience are different in no way explains why we need both (and they are essentially the same thing in a professional setting - as you yourself said all professors are experts). Second, I don't know why you keep quoting ABF (assume bad faith) - that is a
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Whether it is relevant or not is not something you get to decree. That is the dispute. I find it irrelevant and inaccurate. You find it relevant and accurate. You still haven't specified what important fact "with expertise in Western Mexico" conveys that previous worked at the "Purépecha
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Honduras.". Seems like a pretty obvious contradiction to me... Again, why is it necessary to state his "expertise" is in Mexico (in contradiction to his own statement on what his specialization is). Why is listing that his LiDAR experience is in Mexico (not Honduras) insufficient?
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on the basis of primary material). There is a difference between experience and expertise, so conflating the two is not helpful here. The wording you mention is different from what I am arguing for: "a Mesoamerican specialist with expertise in Western Mexico" (with citation).
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of these refer to Morde. You are relying upon select sources to support your own POV, which is asserting it as fact that Morde's "city" and Ciudad Blanca "are the same thing" when that is not a fact but an opinion expressed by cherry-picked sources. You are engaging in
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and provide evidence in the form of diffs that 3 reversions had taken place within 24 hours. Also, you should be mindful of the fact that if you yourself have violated 3RR (as seems likely, given the storm of reversions on the history) you could also be cited for edit
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as "laughable" suggests that you are not taking my concerns seriously. I have not said that I am incapable or unwilling to assume good faith on your part in the future, although I am having trouble doing so at this time. I will be happy to assume good faith
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Um actually you are supposed to warn someone (which I just did) before taking it the the notice board. Then if they continue, you take it there. The warning is to prevent the need for a report that could end in a block. (And no I haven't violated 3RR.)
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is is the conclusion of reliable sources. That is the difference between our edits - mine reflect what sources say, yours reflect what you think is true. Numerous sources (including those used in the article) have tied Morde's city to Ciudada Blanca.
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back-and-forth, though. If it was dropped entirely the article would suffer little as a result. As far as Hoopes's other complaints go, yes,synthesis and POV pushing should be avoided. If Thaddeus is pushing points not found in sources, he should stop.
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if editors gave some clue to their reasoning. As a WP:RCP, I go through sometimes several thousand edits a day. It can get quite frustrating to fathom what an editor is up to. I do try to avoid causing consternation to other editors, but there are
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Dr Hoopes, When I was trying to submit my Knowledge (XXG) assignment today (2/21/16) via ‘digital drop-box’ per the instructions, I found that I did not have that tool on my Black Board. Upon searching the black board website, I found the flowing
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should be removed because that source does not mention Ciudad Blanca. What should be noted is that authors such as Stewart and Preston equate Morde's "lost city" with Ciudad Blanca, but Morde's statements (by your standards) should be excluded.
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The only way we can move forward is by discussing specific content. Debating whether or not I (or you) am pushing a POV is going to get us nowhere. I will be focusing all my future comments on the content & suggest you do likewise.
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As I have pointed out, you are choosing to ignore the qualification, "But if the subject must be broached at all, then I would prefer a direct source, like the one Hoopes provided." This is why external mediation is required.
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of the information as superior? (Also OR and SYNTH are my complaints about Hoopes, so I don't know why you said " If Thaddeus is pushing points not found in sources, he should stop" - that is what Hooopes is doing, not me.)
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the UTL project. Fisher, who had previously used LiDAR at the Purépecha archaeological site of Angamuco in Michoacån, Mexico, spent six months analyzing Elkins's data" is redundant (mentioning Western Mexico twice). --
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This is not in any way a compromise. It is just a more wordy version of your preferred version. I do not have a problem with Joyce being referred to as (simply) a Honduran expert, so you can drop that red herring.
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preferred my version. If someone is trying to OWN the article, it is you. And for you to tell me I am violating AGF is laughable considering you have explicitly said you are incapable/unwilling to AGF about me. --
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The facts are being stated as backed by cited sources so that readers can make their own interpretations based on those facts. If you have different facts that are backed by sources, please include them. I think
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accusations that you have made, despite my repeated requests that you desist, make it difficult for me not to assume bad faith. A good start would be by not repeatedly referring to my comments as "garbage."
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The issue is not with expressing one's opinion in a discussion on a talk page, it is with allowing your personal point of view to dominate the content of the article. You are repeatedly violating
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The talk page "consensus" was not a consensus in which I was a participant, but your own interpretation of specific language that you interpreted to support your own position. That does not honor
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Wrong. That sources imply the two are the same thing, so we do too. It might be a POV, but it isn't mine - it is the POV of what our sources say, which is what an article is supposed to be. --
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even what internal links to other Knowledge (XXG) articles are permissible--contributes to this synthesis. These restrictions have not been placed on other Knowledge (XXG) articles.
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into the facts? I have said why I think it is necessary to state this expertise and I have modified the language to reflect exactly the specialization that Fisher said he preferred (
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Mexico, which the very next sentence states? Why must we explicitly say "he is an expert on Western Mexico?" What exactly does this sentence convey that the next does not? --
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during the discussion but should not remove the miscellany for deletion template from the top of the page; such a removal will not end the deletion discussion. Thank you.
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and other sources provide information about many ancient Maya rulers. You can see which members of ancient Maya royalty already have entries by referring to lists such as
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In the interest of compromise, the language pertaining to Joyce now reads, "Rosemary Joyce, a Mesoamerican specialist and expert on Honduran archaeology on the faculty of
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facts relevant to this Knowledge (XXG) article that come from sources that do not explicitly mention Ciudad Blanca. These include the cited article about Fisher.
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March 10,2012. I think this is far more informative than referring to each as "a Mesoamerican specialist" with no further information about either one.
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Sure, but would you please be reasonable and patient with them and not make major changes while they're clearly in the middle of something?
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Why did you not address the obvious redundancy? Saying the source is valid does not really address the issue. Why dod you view Hoopes'
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archaeological site of Angamuco in MichoacĂĄn, Mexico" does not. Why is this information so crucial that we need it TWICE? --
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describes the Committee's roles and responsibilities in greater detail. If you wish to participate, you are welcome to
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May I recommend that you avoid starting a new line with a space. It causes a formatting issue (as above). Please see
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also submit attachments via this email system. My question to you is how do you want us to submit these assignments?
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again to fix it. If I misunderstood what happened, or if you have any questions, you can leave a message on
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again to fix it. If I misunderstood what happened, or if you have any questions, you can leave a message on
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I hope that you will also be mindful of the three revert rule, since you have repeatedly reverted my work.
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taken out of context, nor is it either "a compliment" nor a "subtle undermining." Those represent the
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is a region north of what we are discussing, so many of the observations and comments may not apply.
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but not ones for other categories of objects, such as Maya "mushroom stones" (the current entry for
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to mainspace. Since you contributed to the user space draft I think you may be interested in it.
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Lange, Frederick W. and Doris Z. Stone, eds. (1984) ''The Archaeology of Lower Central America.''
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the drop-down menu and add the title for you new page. You may give a brief reason if you like.
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I agree. Thanks for the suggestion to drop this line of debate, which I wholeheartedly support.
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South, Stephanie (2009) ''2012: Biography of a Time Traveler - the Journey of Jose ArgĂŒelles'',
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of-the-ciudad-blanca-myth.html On the Development of the Ciudad Blanca Myth], JasonColavito.com
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editors for editing how-to's or leave a message at the Mesoamerica project's discussion board
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None of these are perfect, but nonetheless good models for the kind of work I'd like to see.
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None of these are perfect, but nonetheless good models for the kind of work I'd like to see.
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You are ignoring the part where Serendipitous said their preference was to not include it --
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to provide citations for the sources you are using I urge you to go to the information on
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to provide citations for the sources you are using I urge you to go to the information on
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I could be mistaken about this, but I think that what appears to be the interpretation by
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specified it in my discussion in the relevant portion of the talk page. I explained that
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Maya kings, queens, and other historical personalities. There are detailed entries for
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Sorry about all of that! I sent a message and it looks as if everyone figured it out!
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Hi Dr. Hoopes, I seem to be having the same confusion as well. Thanks for your help!
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Hello, and welcome to Knowledge (XXG). I noticed that you removed some content from
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to understand what is meant by a neutral point of view in Knowledge (XXG) articles.
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to understand what is meant by a neutral point of view in Knowledge (XXG) articles.
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far more unkindly upon that action than whether 3RR has or has not been violated. --
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Maybe not, but you do need to understand my reasoning, which is based on geography.
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so that it will be easier for me to see what additions and revisions you've made.
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To avoid being blocked, instead of reverting please consider using the article's
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Could you link the the source in question please? I want to see it for myself.
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that does not mean that it is actually a contradiction.
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