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The album's title is similar to that of the first album, 'What did you expect from the
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I'm watching this page, and will check any changes on the sections I've edited, and any new sections you add. (I use pop-ups on "My
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Tuesday last week, I was at an album signing at HMV in manchester where the band did a few interviews with some small time local journalists and they were definitely saying they thought "it would be nice to keep the whole band name in the album title". I know I can't prove that but, I'll have
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I know the guidelines. I know that addition of unsourced material is not encouraged, and if the material is controversial, it should definitely be sourced. I also know that putting "under construction" at the top of a section means that it is short of facts, not that it is short of sourcing. If
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You can't add a contenious paragraph like that to an article without a single source. I'm yet to be convinced that it's a notable controversy - at best it probably warrants a sentence in the finished article - but either way you need to find the source first, then add the content. Nothing is so
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Elizabeth Tweddle as that is her full name. An encyclopaedia would include the full name and not an abreviation. Also you mention that you should "use common names" that is not the case. Princess Anne is always called that and hardly ever
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