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Macedonia has been annexed and controlled by various cultural groups mainly Greeks, Bulgarians and Serbs. The geographic region of Macedonia had been under Ottoman rule for over 500 years, and when the Ottoman Empire collapsed, Greece, Bulgaria and Serbia fought over what was left which was essentially Macedonia. Gotse Delchev was a socialist inspired by the French revolution and envisioned Macedonia to be a multicultural country for the various ethnicities such as Turks, Aromanians, Bulgarians, Serbs and Greeks, he never fought for a Macedonian ethnicity which was not created yet. And please tell your friends to stop calling me a Greek and a Bulgarian for disagreeing with your points. Crying racism will not change the historical reality.
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Macedonians and the geographic term Macedonian is not the same as the term Ethnic/Slavic Macedonians that came in existence in the 20th century. If you happen to be interested in history then you should look at it objectively and not push nationalistic theories for the sake of it. I suggest in the future that if you are going to try and edit the ethnicity of anyone on Knowledge (XXG) that you first start a discussion on the talk page and share your reasoning with other Knowledge (XXG) editors. --
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Macedonian government that Alexander the Great and Ancient Macedonia is Greek and that Tsar Samuil is Bulgarian with a lot of historical figures yet to be discussed. This will ultimately result in a correction of history books inside North Macedonia so that they are historically accurate, and vandalizing Knowledge (XXG) cannot change this trend. No hard feelings, I understand that you want the best for Macedonians but vandalizing Knowledge (XXG) won't benefit anyone, maybe start a charity or business in North Macedonia.
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I am not adding my own point of view, Knowledge (XXG) is not a soapbox where people can promote their views and theories, I am admittedly not a native to the region but I do extensive research on the matter and always aim to have an objective view on the matter. When I say
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Misusing the warning system is not going to keep your out of context quote online, if you look through the book source that you provided you will clearly see that
Macedonian is used as a geographic description and not an ethnic term. During the times of the Ilinden uprising, Macedonian and Bulgarian
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Everything has been sorted out now with the admins, all personal information has been removed from the public pages and has been submitted privately to the admins. My apologies I was not aware that this policy applied in terms of giving evidence in
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I did answer your question, a number of times, but you never address my points and try to deflect. UMD never claimed it represents millions of
Macedonians, plus there are a number of organisations, smaller in scale than UMD, who are allowed to exist on Knowledge (XXG). 25,000 is a significant amount
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If I was you I would do something more productive than trying to change the ethnicities of dead people to fit your false historical narrative, the North
Macedonian government has already set up historical commisions with Greece and Bulgaria which have already produced results such as the admittance
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It hasn't been determined, but it is not hard to predict considering the amount of delete votes compared to keep votes as well as the fact that the page has already been succesfully nominated for deletion just a few months ago. If an entity is truly notable, a
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Can you please explain to me, how it happens to be that 3 new users with less than 50 contributions on edits all happen to instantly oppose the deletion of the UMD page, just a few days after the creation of their Knowledge (XXG) taskforce. Did all you stumble on it by chance? We both know that the
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My account is not used for promotional purposes. I am a history student at a well established university, with an interest on Macedonian history, due to my Macedonian background, and recently began my journey on Knowledge (XXG). It is not nice that editors such as yourself accuse newbies of working
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I suggest that you stop pushing an agenda on Knowledge (XXG) along with your two other partners, it is not complicated. As a member of the United Macedonian Diaspora minority rights organization it is very obvious what you are doing by adding racism sections on the pages of Bulgarian politicians.
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You have the wrong impression of me, I have nothing against Macedonians despite being called a Greek and a Bulgarian for protecting various pages from vandalism, from a concentrated campaign to edit Knowledge (XXG) by an organization known as the United Macedonian Diaspora. You can read more about
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So despite Gruev and Delchev identifying as Bulgarians they are Macedonians? This quote that you provided essentially shows that there was no ethnic Macedonian self-conciousness prior to the Iliden Uprising and there wasn't one after. If you knew what you were talking about you would know that the
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Nice attempt at not answering the question..... also I track all pages that I have succesfully nominated for deletion in case they get created again to see if they meet the requirements. It is your opinion that UMD is a notable entity, but in my opinion an organisation that is in few news articles
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I could ask you the same question, how did you all happen to stumble upon the page all at once? Among all the other pages regarding Macedonia, where you all accidentally stumble upon them at once? Your claim is unfounded as I have been editing on this site long before you nominated the UMD page up
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You cannot accuse me of collaborating with the mentioned user, if anything you and many others, who I shall not name, collaborate all the time on a number of articles. I am not accusing you of that, but if you use that trivial example as collaboration, imagine all the examples I can provide of you
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Understand that I am new on the site, and it is not okay to bully newcomers. The reason why I deleted the 'Greek' from that article is because the article referenced was in reference to modern Greeks, whilst the claim is that Alexander was ancient Greek. In regard to Paidusko Horo, I removed North
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So what if I did? I was speaking according to the standard you set, that just because they don't have a million followers, that they aren't notable. I outlined that having 25,000 is still pretty significant. Nevertheless, it does not matter how many likes they have, as the nature of their work is
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Your accusations are blatantly false accusations. No agenda at all. A New York Times alert came out today in my Google news feed on Roma bigotry in Bulgaria and listed 3 politicians from Bulgaria and their racist rhetoric on Roma - I found it appropriate to make sure the public is aware of these
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The ethnic Macedonian identity is one of the newest identities in Europe along with the new Moldovan identity, you can see this in the Macedonian language which was officially formalized in 1944, and is officially the last major Slavic language to be formalized. There is literally no evidence of
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These unconstructive edits that you are accusing me of, one was on an edit by a user called Dikaiosyni who added a out of context quote she used as evidence just because it had the word 'Macedonian' in it, I suggest that you take a look at the other pages in this book where you will see that the
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I comment on you content, not on you personally, disclosing personal information of people that may/or may not have any relation to editors in order to intimidate editors and stigmatise real life people that probably have nothing to do with all of this is sickening and you must be prevented from
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The Macedonian historiography is an extremely interesting one for scholars and people interested in history, and it is not a unique development in itself, you can see the same thing happening in other European countries such as Moldova and Montenegro where revisionist historical theories try to
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The committee was distinctly going to counteract their influence and efforts by arousing a spirit of nationality among the Macedonians which was neither Serbian nor Bulgarian nor Greek. And when the Bulgarian Government understood this thoroughly it showed itself unequally friendly. For Prince
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It is very important when writing an encyclopedia that you look at all of the available evidence rather than choosing what suits you, and unfortunately misusing a quote without addressing the meaning of the 'Macedonia' that the very source you are using to back up your claims, the view of what
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statements that are offensive to Roma peoples. I have no affiliation with the said-organization. However, your calling for its deletion twice raises red-flags clearly, and seems like you have a personal vendetta against it. I'm not sure who the two partners you are referring to, I'm single.
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regional identity not an ethnicity I am talking about the period of the late 19th and early 20th centuries, I am in no way denying that the Macedonian identity is a separate identity today with its own language, I thought that is pretty clear in the context that I was making these points.
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Hi I saw you had previously been involved in the discussion here, I believe that it should be changed from Macedonian Bulgarian to Bulgarian as Vanga is better known as Bulgarian rather than a Macedonian Bulgaria per international media as you can see by the sources that I have added.
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policy, and could be considered disruptive, but they seem to honestly believe they were improving the information in Knowledge (XXG). So it's helpful to assume good faith, and distinguish between vandalism and disruptive or non-neutral editing. Thanks for your understanding...
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It's okay if you can change the wording to show the same thing e.g. growth of fame and notability for example and should be okay. Otherwise it may be removed by another editor in the future as the way it is currently written is very specific ('cult like following').
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distance the respective country's history from other nations that them may have been common people with before such, in North Macedonia it was mostly Bulgaria and a bit of Serbia, in Moldova's case this was Romania and in Montenegro's case it was Serbia.
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I was following this particular page where it happened. My opinion is that "sorting it out with the admins" aka covering it up without you getting some punishment will only make things worse and not prevent you for engaging in similar behavior in future.
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Feel free to make the change back to "eastern" on the two pages yourself once you've reviewed the map. I doubt I'll ever make a change to Knowledge (XXG) again, if this is the welcome I get on literally my first effort at improving public information.
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A lot of the time when there is doubt an entity is notable in the first place, it is likely not notable. It's nothing personal, I have deleted and nominated probably over 30 different pages for deletion including other diaspora organisations such as
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because I wanted to emphasize that the dance is not only danced in North Macedonia, but in the wider region of Macedonia. I understand that there are better and constructive ways for me to have outlined that, I have since learned from my mistakes.
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So no James, Macedonian was not an ethnic identity developed in 1944, many people in Macedonia had ethnic Macedonian consciousness prior to that, including when the Ilinden Uprising occurred. The Ilinden Uprising was a Macedonian phenomenon.
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I have no connection to the United Macedonian Diaspora, and I was editing on Knowledge (XXG) prior to when you nominated the UMD article for deletion, and prior to when UMD allegedly as you claim, created the 'conspiracy' to attack you.
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Since you are apparently watching the page from Scotland, you may not be familiar with the local geography. I live approximately 2km from the neighborhood in question, which is definitely not in the western portion of Edison Township.
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The Clara Barton neighborhood is centered on Amboy Avenue, which runs eastward from Metuchen, NJ to Fords, a portion of Woodbridge Township. Metuchen is a separate borough, which lies approximately in the center of Edison's territory.
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Well, it's very hard to find reliables sources about this band, except for blogs or other fan sites. But it's clear their sound became "doomier" when Wino joined. Don't know if i can find it, no problem if you want to do a rollback.
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You are the one misusing the warning system, not me. Ethnic Macedonians did not come into existence in the 20th century, at the time of the Ilinden Uprising there was a Macedonian consciousness. An example from another book:
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and replaced it with an NPOV warning. I also added a Discretionary Sanctions alert for the Arab–Israeli conflict. The user has less than 500 edits, so is not allowed to edit in the area of conflict as they did.
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Also, by claiming that you nominated the UMD page up for deletion "just a few days after the creation of their Knowledge (XXG) taskforce", shows the real reason why you nominated the page up for deletion.
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In the future if you want to discuss my views on edits I have made, please post a post a link to this page to the respetctive talk page. And also please add a new section next time, to keep things neat.
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There is sufficient evidence to be suspicious and to challenge the edits, even the closing admin that deleted the UMD page for the second time agreed that there was a clear case of canvassing going on.
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writing using such an alphabet before it was formalized in 1944, take a look at all the letters done the Krste Mirsikov and Gotse Delchev and you will see the clear difference in the written language.
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and has less than 1 thousand Youtube subscribers, 2466 Twitter followers, 25,000 Facebook likes and 1722 Instagram followers is not a notable organisation that represents millions of Macedonians. --
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likely isn't a reliable source at all (it has no relation to Cambridge University), so it's worth noting that in case you see that source elsewhere on Knowledge (XXG). Thanks for your work anyway.
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If you'd care to look at Google Maps for "Clara Barton, New Jersey" and scroll back until the municipality names become visible, you'd see this. In fact, here it is for your convenience:
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Normally I wouldn't change another editor's talk page contributions, and if you want to put yours back you can. But I looked at the edit, and it clearly doesn't meet the definition of
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It's been updated with a large settlement awarded against the French Post and Telecommunications Regulatory Authority (ARPT). I'll continue to look for additional notable information.
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Hi, Gary, my mistake I apologize, I use a software to moderate new changes and since your account was unregistered with very few edits it was flagged as a high-vandalism risk.
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Since translation to remaining Central Asian languages will depend on availability in Russian language. So your translation help is going to be very valuable for the article.
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Literally one word whose meaning is taken out of context is not sufficient evidence that proves anything especially when you weight together all of the other evidence.
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Ferdinand and his clique dreamed of Greater Bulgaria which they should rule. They wanted no autonomous Macedonia; even less did they want an independent Macedonia
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edits in the examples provided and I don't think there is sufficient evidence to link him to the UMD as another justification for reverting his edits. Regards.
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Hmm, a Facebook page with 25,000 likes that has less than 100 likes on most of their posts, that doesn't sound as being notable to me. --
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Re: the location of the Clara Barton neighborhood within Edison Township, New Jersey. Correcting a factual error is not vandalism.
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I love how the decision has already been determined, showcasing that there is more going on behind the scenes. Have a nice day too!
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