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I'm sorry to hear that. There is no doubt that the historic cameras form notable topics, so I doubt they will completely disappear, but they certainly need work as you say. I suspect your specialized work has been insufficiently thanked over the years, so let me do that now: you have made an enormous
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Cameras, however, this is not agreed and adopted by consensus of Knowledge editors and I suspect that some, including myself, might well demur from some of what you propose. However, with regard to the
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Thank you for your concern of the style regarding the camera articles mentioned. The issue is relevant and I have for quite some time considered it, my regrettable conclusion being not to contribute substantially any more since each article requires too much time and effort, yet its original content
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Describing subjects inaccurately or inefficiently. A typical example of inaccurate description is saying the camera has interchangeable lenses or finders. This seems harmless, but it means that the camera is supplied with several of those items, which rarely is the case. The accurate description
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