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2701:. Or you'd have argued against that position. In my response I fully - more than fully - analysed our interactions as honestly and in as unbiased a way as I could, and demonstrated that your initial antagonism towards me came out of absolutely nowhere. Well, obviously somewhere, but nowhere that I have any knowledge of, to this day. Only you would know the answer to that. As to the identity matter, I never at any stage "characterized your comments as following from your presumed gender/race/etc. identity". Not even once, let alone "continuously". I don't like raking over old coals, but I can't in conscience just ignore the references you've now made. There were other things you said about me at the time, that were also totally unfounded, which I also refuted. It's bizarre when a refutation has been made, but the first party is still acting in splendid ignorance of it and is still referring to charges they made that they're unaware were demolished almost 9 months ago. But I guess that's what you can expect to happen when you unwatch pages in the midst of what can reasonably be expected to be continuing conversations. Sometimes, the other party just can't be bothered continuing, and that's the end of that. But sometimes they can. -- ā™¬ 1010:], and I'd love for you to take a look at it. Right now, I'm specifically playing around with the 20th-century list. I've made a sortable table with quite a bit more information, largely because I feel like the bare list by itself offers almost no information to those who would be viewing the list: (a) people who aren't familiar with hardly any 20th-century piano composers, and perhaps would like just a few representative names, (b) people who are looking for 20th-century piano composers of a specific style, nationality, or time frame, or (c) people already familiar with 20th-century piano lit, but want to expand that knowledge some. However, I have several questions, concerns, etc. -- see the list's talk page for more details. Any thoughts, suggestions, or help you could give would be great. Thanks! -- 2562:
dangerous ground with this sort of approach. I'm sure you know this, having obviously studied language, and I'm not one for teaching my granny how to suck eggs. It would be very tempting to conclude that someone who knows their way around the online world would deliberately pretend to not be aware of considerations like this, and write the same set of words here that they would speak if they were talking to their friend sitting next to them, in order to provoke reactions as a way of attracting attention to themselves, for reasons only they could ever reveal, assuming they were self-aware enough to know, which is an assumption one has no right to make. I am resisting such a temptation. -- ā™¬
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characterized as following from my presumed gender/race/etc. identity, and I see no problem at all on that account. Believe me, I can't think of the last time you said anything that annoyed me, and I very much enjoy your comments and criticisms, even though obviously I do not always agree with everything you say. Think of the monty python sketch about the man looking for an argument, and picture me as Palin (but not yourself as Cleese!). I am going to unwatch now, since I have a limited appetite backstage gossip. But I do look forward to you picking on me on the talk pages, and saying interesting things that have nothing to do with needling anyone, it is quite fun.
1653:, where he really did want to complete it but illness prevented him. If I were to take some abandoned sketch by Beethoven and rework it into a piano concerto, would anyone seriously accept it as "Beethoven's 6th Piano Concerto"? No, it would be published with some reference to my name alongside Beethoven's, and certainly not numbered among his works. But that's exactly what we're being asked to accept with this so-called Tchaikovsky 3rd Piano Concerto. If we usually enclose his "7th Symphony" in brackets, we should be doing exactly the same with his "3rd Piano Concerto". I need to think about this some more. -- ā™¬ 2468:. I'm glad you bridged that gulf. No matter what your opinion of anything is, I can guarantee you'll find others of a contrary opinion; and you cannot legitimately present your opinions as if they were statements of fact or truth. You would know from your time at Knowledge (XXG), if from nowhere else, that lots of things can be verified but not a single one of them is ever true merely because any particular person says they are true. This is especially the case when it comes to things like movies, for which there can only ever be individual subjective assessments. Fwiw, I also love 3111:
comes to the WP reference desk to check it out. Why? Because it has something to do with Obama. More to the point, it has potential to cast him in what many would consider a bad light. At that stage, as far as the OP knew, it was a handful of mud he was throwing and hoping it would stick. I'm sure he was as surprised as anyone to discover it really was the truth. But as I said, that has nothing to do with his motivation for opening the thread in the first place, which was a negative motivation. We have it from his own words. -- ā™¬
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as such, and things which succeed without flaw at the level they set for themselves. So I do stand by the fact that there was nothing at all wrong with my comment as a response to yours--at least that wasn't also wrong with yours, if we accept your premise regarding the frailty of our readership. But Knowledge (XXG) is not censored, and the responsibility for readers to young safely to think for themselves lies with their parents. I will leave it at that, because you seem to like to argue and take issue more than I do.
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damage from being sexually interfered with." He said no such thing, Jack. In fact his cavalier response, the classic for someone who is shooting from the hip was "Are you disputing what nearly every human on the planet knows: namely, that infants have only a very dim understanding of the world and no long-term memory of events?" True, the rest of us should have done better about providing the evidence that there is harm, though in my case, that's not the kind of book I have at hand at midnight.
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say and you don't really give a damn what the other party has to say on the matter. That may be an unfair representation of your actual attitude, but it is the impression you create when you do this, and that's all I have to go on. You did it on the ref desk talk page during last year's events. Most particularly, you did so without giving me any chance to respond to your statements about me and my behaviour, but they were statements that obviously I wasn't going to just accept silently.
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he get some education about. I made no reference to being able to prove that infants either (a) do remember or (b) suffer harm because I don't know. (Neither does 140, but catch him admitting that.) The section has many references to the literature about pro-paedophile activism; many of them are books. I don't know what libraries he is prepared to consult. It is all very clear what I was saying. 140 has distorted it to his own purposes.
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studied the history of this usage, such as when it began, if it is appropriate, or if it is now a widely adopted practice. A Google search for this combined opus number lists at least three incidents of usage, with most results mentioning a Vox recording with pianist Michael Ponti, still available for sale at Amazon. Any reader can easily verify the combined opus number has indeed been used in times past, though perhaps not by everyone.
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finale. Though both these latter pieces are slight, the andante sounds like it was arranged from a very pleasant piece of salon music, and the finale should have a light nature. I actually admire the finale, and Ponti's performance presents a persuasive case for Taneyev's arrangement. Even when Tchaikovsky had doubts about his work, it does not necessarily mean all people would or should share those doubts.
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service is not about struggle or duty or angst, it's about joy and flow and fun, and most particularly it's about what's in it for you. Yes, you. That's heresy if you're from a traditional Protestant work ethic or Catholic guilt background, I know, but there it is. If you're not getting, not just as much back from your involvement in Knowledge (XXG) as you put in, but actually
2613:. Not even on the talk page. We never know how many people read these things, who they are, or what use they put to what we say, and we have a responsiblity to use our influence wisely and with integrity. Even more so than if we were RL ref desk librarians, because in here everything we say is recorded forever, exactly as we wrote it. RL libs are not subject to this. -- ā™¬ 344:
nobody else been so affected? At least enough to come to the talk page and ask a question or two? No, your somewhat agitated state says to me that you're not in a good space right now to be making good judgements about the thing you're concerned about, because you are not in control of your attitude to it. You are not in the driver's seat; it is driving you.
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questioner is guilty of heinous sex crimes an unjustifiable determination and the product of impulsive thought incapable of objectivity or impolitic reasoning. It is the taboo topics that are often the most thought-provoking and the feeble-minded indignation when these 'inviolable' issues are discussed is frequently misplaced.
1679:(it is as much Taneyev's work as Tchaikovsky's) should ever be juxtaposed with the Concerto as if it now at last completes the set of movements to produce a "proper" concerto. That certainly didn't have Tchaikovsky's blessing - in fact, it went dead against his explicit wishes. Anyway, looking forward to your thoughts on the 1675:. It seems an impertinence to me that Taneyev et al ever considered it appropriate that what Tchaikovsky started should be "completed" by other hands. He made a very clear decision to write a concerto consisting of only one movement, and that should have been that. It seems a further impertinence that Taneyev's 2027:
We use "spots" too, but that's more a general term for anywhere you can legally park your car, or at least have a good chance of getting away with it. It wouldn't necessarily refer to a place in a dedicated carpark per se; it could just mean a designated parking space on the side of the road; or any
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Second, "Sex with infants obviously causes no mental damage", is stated as bald fact without any lead in or evidence whatsoever. You were giving him too much credence when you said "The editor in question has concluded from whatever they've read that there is no evidence that an infant suffers mental
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Incidentally, I own a copy of the Ponti recording. Frankly, I believe this is the best recorded performance of the third concerto (though, regrettably, the trumpets become muffled during the development before the Allegro Brillante's central cadenza), and it makes a very good case for the andante and
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You really have to stop now, and just relax and let it go. Time to focus on you and what you need. Knowledge (XXG) is not going anywhere anytime soon, and we'll be here when you get back. The Jubilee will happen in all its glory, and nothing that's in Knowledge (XXG) or not in Knowledge (XXG) will
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I really don't give a fart about antagonising the authors of the article. I just want to make it clear to anyone who reads it (and 15,000 people have visited the article today) that there really is life beyond Diana. How can anyone be so ignorant to question that the Queen's visit to the Pope was
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I am sending this note to Wikipedians with whom I have most closely collaborated over the last six years or so. After pondering hard during a month's wiki-break in July I have sadly decided to withdraw fully from contributing. I have been worn down by continual carping, sniping and belittling from a
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it was the truth. On the other hand, he DID have every reason to believe it was NOT the truth. What would most people do with "information" of such dubious truth status as that had at that time? They'd ignore it, throw it into the wastepaper basket of their mind, and move on. But not this OP. He
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I get your overall point. Were I to say something like, "The best way to cure tinnitus is to take the maximum dose of acetaminophen for two weeks" with a straight face it might be harmful. But I absolutely refuse to think there's any possibility of anyone being damaged by my stating my opinions on
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The "you" in my post is StuRat, under whose post my post is correctly indented. If someone else finds that self-rating scale useful or interesting then I am happy for them too. @Bielle I have difficulty following your questioning but if you like to bring me up to speed on your thinking, I suggest we
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If you were disappointed because I didn't engage with 140's rabble-rousing, then we'll just have to agree to disagree on how much rope I am expected to extend to someone merely looking for an argument, boldface, righteous indignation and all. If, however, you just disappointed that I didn't explain
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First, the section I referenced was about pro paedophile activism. The point I was making was that such claims as 140.180.5.169 was making about sex with an infant not being harmful because the infant had no memory of it is the type of claim made by pro-paedophile activists. That is what I suggested
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and also click the internal link I provide within my last comment there. It's also helpful to look at Spadaro's talk page, especially what I added after I put the dispute resolution request notice there. My approach seems to have discouraged him from escalating things further, but his last statement
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The OP claims to have read about it in only one place. Only one. And he had a very low opinion even of that source. So low, that he wasn't even prepared to name it. Ergo, as far as he knew at that time, it was rubbish, bullshit, crap, scuttlebutt, baseless rumour, call it what you like. He did
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find something to criticize or praise in a movie, while perhaps conventional wisdom, was equally arbitrary. Unless what you were saying was that people can spout whatever nonsense they like, which is trivially true, and hardly worth saying. There really are a few great works of art worth praising
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Thanks, Bielle. DBW doesn't need my permission to continue discussing that matter in the very thread that he/she initiated on the Ref Desk talk page. I don't understand why one would open up such a discussion but then take pot shots both there and elsewhere at those who respond. Unless .... nah,
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I wondered whether sources should be cited within the prĆ©cis. Previously, they had not been; and the main article already lists sources that support nearly the whole prĆ©cisā€”with the possible exception of the occasional usage of combined opus number "75/79", a fact I added this afternoon. I have not
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Actually I was serious, so "nuking" my comment might be a bit too much, though I don't have proof or research. I do understand English spoken by people from Germany, India, South America, etc much better than English spoken by Americans or my former girlfriend from England. Actually, the latter is
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in the past. I found the article in a shambles, and have restored it to an earlier neutral and comprehensible version, with a few minor updates. The most recent version seemed to have been cut and pasted from the Russian article without attribution. I bring this to your attention so that if you
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to unwatch a talk page immediately after posting your views on a matter. Odds are the other party will have something they want to say in response, and they then have to chase you and split the conversation. It's discourteous, and it gives the impression that your main interest is in having your
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If you're starting a new debate, or continuing an existing debate, with another editor, do so in your own space or theirs or some other appropriate place, not here. Drive By Wire, you chipped me for not leaving many diffs, so presumably you know how to do it. Take diffs of anything you like from
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OK, I have thought about this some more and done a heap more reading. Seems I was wrong about the 3rd Concerto. Tchaikovsky originally thought of calling it "Allegro de concert" or "Konzertstuck", because it had only the one movement, but it is very clear he later referred to it as a "concerto",
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It it equally possible to get so attached to some ideas for change that any resistance to them is magnified way out of proportion. Remember, these articles are not written by any one person. It's always a team effort, and the consensus must always dictate how they go. If you have explained your
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Well, at least you acknowledge the evilness of your ghastly project. That's the first step, accepting you have a problem. Get down on your knees, say a sincere act of heartfelt contrition, resolve never to tread this evil pathway ever again, and the heavens may in time forgive you. I only hope
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When I was still in the development business, back in the Jurassic era, we just called them spaces. What else would be in a parking garage? Of we were being really fancy, they might be further qualified by, say, 3,500 spaces, including 10 handicapped spaces (and then you could waste a few minutes
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Also remember that any of those 15,000 people who accessed the article today can change it at the click of a mouse. And another 15,000 tomorrow, and so on. Sure, most readers are not interested in being editors, but some will be, and if the lede was as grossly offensive as you indicate, why has
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may be fun to you, and I've been known to do it myself out there in RL, where we have access to the whole panoply of facial gestures, voice tones and nuances, and other body language, which collectively provide a major part of the meaning of any communication. But here, you're treading on very
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I was hesitant about starting an edit war. But having had several supporting comments on the QEII talk page, I bit the bullet, and rewrote much of the Introduction. The two protective authors will probably find it hard to delete, since it's well referenced. Found a "luverly" quote from Boris!
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I see you have worked with the article on Tchaikovsky's third piano concerto since 2007. I hope I did not take too many liberties this afternoonā€”I just felt the prĆ©cis needed a bit more detail and straightening out. Thank you for correcting the abbreviation to "posthumous" in the opus numbers.
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My local library, bless its heart, does not run to Who's Who. There's a copy in the library at the larger town down the road. I might be going there on Friday. I can still get out my driveway and into the township at this stage, but there are huge lakes all around me where normally there are
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Also, be aware that hardly a single one of those 15,000 readers will care as much as you do about the lede or anything else. That's not an invitation to suddenly drop your standards, but it is an invitation to remember that what we're doing here is being of service to our readers, and being of
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One of these days I will cease to surprise you. Jar Jar was a 'reference' in support of the horribility of Phantom Menace, not in favor of Star Wars. Maybe I will comment more on the entertainment page. I was actually serious that I think the good movies I listed are "perfect" films though,
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These are two distinct issues and the discussion regarding Carnildo's block has no bearing on whether characterizing the IP's comments as pro-pedophilia advocacy was appropriate. I personally find the quantum leap from a reasonable assertion regarding infants' memory to the conclusion that the
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See my edit above, which I'm childishly proud of having learned how to do. I'm a scholar at heart who was never able to finish school. Anyway, we all have to be guided by our own experience, and sharing accounts of it with others is not a half bad idea. I'll do my best to learn from yours.
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Working with you has been a pleasure and a privilege: I count myself fortunate to have had such colleagues. My warmest wishes go with you for the future. I shall be happy to do any research, copy-editing, fact-checking etc you may ever feel inclined to ask me to do ā€“ but safely offline.
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But I did want to say in response to your unsolicited comments on my talk page conversation with Bielle that I have not held any grudge about last year. Do not take anything I say as somehow continuing any past disagreement. My only concern then was not to have my comments continuously
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back, then you're not constantly replenishing your inner reserves, and you will inevitably dry up and burn out. I've seen it happen to so many people, who crash and burn and become incredibly embittered, unless they realise what's going on and do something about it before it's too
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DriveByWire, I can't think of anything that link to a "bipolar test" could mean that would not be outrageous. Jack and StuRat are having a bit of harmless fun on a topic that has has them at loggerheads in the past, and on Jack's talk page at that. Do you have a problem with this?
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Seriously, though, for a person who was never able to finish school, you do a vastly better job of spelling, grammar and punctuation than many of those who did proudly graduate from our esteemed "educational" institutions. Congratulations, and I hope our paths cross again. -- ā™¬
1273:. I'm just whistling at the sky looking innocent because, on that page, you're discussing things with a guy who goes bat-s*** very easily. As a fellow human being with normal human compassion, I hope things don't get out of hand the way they have in the past with that guy. Cheers. 2606:
was not fine. It was effectively telling others what they will or will not say (and by extension, even what they will or will not think or feel) about those movies, and that is guaranteed to produce dissent. Everyone can agree that your opinion of subject A is <X:
2511:. Frankly, I had a hard time even thinking of bad movies, and just mentioned the first three I could pound out of my brain. But I don't usually say something for effect without also having a point. I could defend my choice of those or other movies like 2389:
I reverted your last comment on entertainment. Please don't leave your comments within or appended to mine. I am surprised you are unfamiliar with Jar Jar Binks, but it would have been easy enough to search for the term if you are unfamiliar with it.
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cattle grazing on whatever that green stuff is. The flood waters have risen since yesterday - since this morning, even. The rain has stopped, so cross your fingers we've just about reached the peak. Ah, the joys of country life. -- ā™¬
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Well, I did make my very full response, and it's there on the record in all its glory. But I somehow doubt you've ever read it. If you had, you'd accept that if anyone was justified in harbouring any grudges, it would be me and not you
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It is possible to get so close to an article that one cannot see it being any other way. If the lede has for a long time included a certain piece of information, it can take some doing to remove it because of the inertia it has
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see sections you think should be restored you can bring it to my attention. Please comment on the article's talk page if you have suggestions, but I will watch here in case you simply want to agree with the reversion.
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There was me imagining you in the city, surrounded by classical music. Thank you for your response. Are they shown as s and d or do they have names? I found a hint that two of their children were born profoundly deaf.
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Thanks to both of you I'll away and fix the article so it reads smoother. Interesting that southern Canada uses spaces. I wonder why I use spots and if it is a northern thing or just some left over British English.
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Of course I can't read the OP's mind, but here's a thought. If something is popular on the internet, even amongst scuttlebutt websites, it must have an origin, and that origin might be the truth. Indeed, there are
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when it was first released, enjoyed it, and I'm sure I've seen it again on TV, and I've seen some of the others in the series - but they're not the sort of movies that appeal strongly to me. I've started watching
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in the article talk page subsection I've referenced strikes me as defamatory and I don't see how I can avoid eventually having to respond to it. A look at the recent edit history and stated edit reasons within
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There are links to two specific Arbcom cases within the comments' section, one paedophilia related and one not. Carnildo has been desysopped before for poor judgement. More evidence is coming it would appear.
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I'll leave this here for all to see, but DriveByWire is not welcome to post again to my talk page unless in positive terms that conform to all WP rules and all other rules that I arbitrarily decree. -- ā™¬
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Yes, I noticed. Seems a reasonable outcome prevailed this time, but all those demands of yours were unnecessary, since you just went ahead and did it yourself anyway. Now go and have that cuppa. -- ā™¬
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I'm not going to trawl back through the records, but I simply do not believe that it is the case that you presented some perfectly reasonable suggestions but were rudely rebuffed with "NO", without any
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Thanks. A boy named Sue? - yes, obviously. But a polar bear named Shirley? - I rather think not. I guess the game's up now. I'd better remove that photo I've had on my user page for years. -- ā™¬
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The QEII matter is sorted. I rewrote at length, and then smiled sweetly while it was honed down, removing the brilliant quote from Boris, but still leaving a much fuller and more balanced account.
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I cannot understand why the Spring is so late in coming ... I hope there will be a change in the weather ... When I was visiting my friend the Cornish Ogre, he once served me a delicious dish of
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to scandalrag reporting. They believe Di was a saint, and therefore must feature in at least three sentences in the intro to the Queen's biography. But the main reason is that errors are of
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As an Aussie, you are allowed -the reference to a "kangaroo" court, I mean, even though it is a reference to an Americanism. I will also respond to you because I know you are not a troll.
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My real concern is that we're glorifying this work as if it were something Tchaikovsky wrote under that title, which is not the case. The only part of it he was happy to publish was the
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wearisome few (you know the sort of people I refer to); the joy has gone out of taking part in this wonderful enterprise. I should be more resilient, but alas it's finally got to me.
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Yes, it's weird, and very atypical. We refer to individual "parking bays" or maybe "spaces", but "carpark" only ever means the whole place that accomodates thousands of cars. -- ā™¬
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Been working on this article and noticed your question on the Talk page re. why a requiem. I think I've answered this to some degree in the article, in case you're still curious.
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I have to report that I've had many dealings with Joseph Spadaro over the years and never found him to be other than a perfect gentleman. Your experience is obviously different.
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Thanks for noticing, Shirt. Amazing how such an institution could be so quickly forgotten. If that's his fate, what's it say about "institutions" like you and me, eh? -- ā™¬
262:...for your comment! I went about it the right way, for days, and days. I made every possible suggestion, and tried all sorts of alternatives. The response was simply NO. 744:
So I Googled it and he is overwhelmingly known as "Timothy" in "reliable" sources, but occasionally "Tim" in the more chatty ones. So I moved back to "Timothy Laurence": -->
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I just found this, "The multi-storey carpark outside the terminal was completed between 1995 and August 1997 at a cost of $ 49 million, providing 3,100 carparks,..." in the
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There are only two main editors to that article. I do understand feelings of article ownership, as many of the articles I maintain I have written almost entirely myself.
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up to the jump scene and were still bored you won't like it. If you haven't watched it that far you should try again when in the mood for some lighthearted diversion.
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So, "a mock court in which the principles of law and justice are disregarded or perverted"? Possibly, but I think most of the perverting was on the side of 140.
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I notice that you moved the page from Tim to Timothy, with the comment that there is no evidence that he is known as "Tim". Well, it was moved back to "Tim".
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should have put the effort into keeping, let me know. My opinion is that most of the deleted material was bizarrely biased or undue weight at best BTW, your
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it's not too late, because none of us is getting any younger. It's surely worth a try. The future of civilisation as we know it is at stake here. Ā :) -- ā™¬
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I feel there is a need to mention this combined opus number, as some people may only know Tchaikovsky's third piano concerto as a work in three movements.
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It seems ridiculous to have him listed in an encyclopedia by something other than the name he was knighted under, but ...well, this is Knowledge (XXG).!
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is the truth about subject A. And that's the difference. As Ref Desk people, we have to guard against ever appearing to say that so-and-so is the case
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of the changes that I suggested were met with any reasonable degree of acceptance. In each case the author's reaction was to find the cleverest way of
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I had a quick look over it and it seems to be OK. When I'm done writing my current magnum opus, I'll have a closer look. Tks for the notice. -- ā™¬
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proposals carefully and rationally, but they have not been attractive to the majority, that is pretty much the end of the matter. At least for now.
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article. Is the use of "carparks" like that correct in Australian English? I wanted to change it to "parking spots" or something but wasn't sure.
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Were you able to get my attachment? I'm not trying to rush you and am being extremely patient. However I'd like to know that you got it.
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Yes, strange indeed. He was never a German anything. He may have been technically British but he is always referred to as Irish. I've
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Point taken about the comment. I was just seeing how far I could stretch the rules. There's plenty of precedent for that these days -
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Thanks, I kind of figured that out. I can't keep up with all these neologisms, I'm afraid. How did we ever get by beforehand? -- ā™¬
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was at Bremerhaven and was 350 vessels? Where were these people, on Australia Day, 1988? I was at mrs Macquarie's Chair! There were
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Hi. Thank you for your recent edits. Knowledge (XXG) appreciates your help. We noticed though that you've added some links pointing to
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I just thought of something. There's no harm in providing evidence for some of the things I've said above. If you want you can review
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of craft on the harbour. I don't know whether anybody ever did a reasonable estimate, but it put the Thames procession in the shade.
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I doubt if you would find a single contribution by me that hasn't been deleted, even though I know the subject well, and write well!
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more than once, but always get bored and switch it off. The other three I've never seen and am not likely to. I saw the original
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on the talk page, but I haven't touched their precious baby, because I do not want to start an edit war, over a front page article.
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Hi, Vstar. Sorry for the delay. As long as the sources are in the main body, they don't need to be repeated in the lede section.
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Excellent. If only the rest of the world would simply do as I advise, we'd all have a much happier time here on planet Earth. Ā :)
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may be different, and that will make all the difference in how you see it and in how its egregious deficiences affect you, or not.
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the one who came up with the idea of "international English". I hope you do agree that foreigners tend to speak something like
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if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the
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I'm assuming your message was meant to be addressed to me, about Joseph; and not meant to be addressed to Joseph, about me.
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Why, how kind of you to think of me ... as a bipolar maniac. Words cannot express how I feel about this. -- ā™¬
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significant was changed! No suggestion about taking a broader view registered in the minds of the authors.
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has been said! it is very hard for your average Wiki reader or even editor to realise that unless they really
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the subject, and come at it from a point of view of someone who has marked a large number of history papers!
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Thanks. I wasn't expecting an unqualified approval. Just if you think there's something I deleted that I
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and that other foreigners start with the same list of words and the same simple grammatical structures.
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I'm sorry if I'm making too big demands, but do you think you could help me with my latest question at
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I think you keep on missing the point I'm making. I'll make it one final time and then I'm moving on.
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myself better, I have tried to fix that. And now it is 3:00 am, and even I need some sleep. Regards,
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I do go off the deep end sometimes, but "going bat-s*** very easily" is not one of my traits, I hope.
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You are probably right. I should warn you though, if you ever come to visit make sure you use the
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wondering what handicaps a space might have: crooked lines, depression . . .). This is in Canada.
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to verify, well, anything really, but in particular that there's nothing bad one could say about
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I'm playing around with a fairly different setup for what is (right now) essentially just a bare
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before. Are you good with categories? See if you think this is right - it looks strange to me:
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and have the dream to make it a sortable list, including arrangements like Stravinsky's own of
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Wow. I'd be interested to see the details of this alleged "long-term poor judgement". -- ā™¬
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and it was certainly published under that title and has never been described as "unfinished".
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of major significance in her reign? They are very particular about stuff that you can get
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Where are you? are you anywhere near Gilmore's Pub? I might as well be drunk as angry!
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How come Guinness Book of records said that the largest pageant of boats prior to the
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I like the phrase "feeble-minded indignation". I will think of you when I use it.
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consider best. Paragraphs include "Potted Biography", "Achievements", "Problems")
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to be held for the Jubilee. That is why the article is front page this week.
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or develop a sense of humour about it, as Jack and Sturat seem to have done.
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Coffee is my drug, as a matter of fact. But I might have a wee nip with it!
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those movies as if they were generally accepted as objective truth.
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And what's new about the "blurb" of TFA being inadequate? Remember
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I'd like to get in touch with you by email - how can I do so?
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i see you have music in your name, maybe you will know. --
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place where there's no obvious No Parking signs. -- ā™¬
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do you have access to that book in your library please?
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But are you seriously using a fictional character from
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Thanks. I should have checked before I saved the page.
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Not at all, TQ. I've responded there. Cheers. -- ā™¬
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My name's Jack; nice to meet you. 2627:To get down to it, your statement that one can 2493:and have always liked its theme music. -- ā™¬ 2435:although not the only or necessarily the best. 1609:Tchaikovsky Piano Concerto 3 -- citing sources? 1203:Template:Did you know nominations/Carl Lachmund 3285:Disambiguation link notification for August 25 3418:Your attempt to find a piece in A-sharp minor 8: 2937:Disambiguation link notification for July 19 2507:But that was the entire fun of the comment; 1552:Disambiguation link notification for June 28 109:- how come nobody's written his article yet? 1743:, a different one or none at all? Thanks. 431:There was not just a single "NO". It was 2681:Thanks for your reply on my talk page. 1168:was updated with a fact from the article 168:was updated with a fact from the article 3085:devoted to tracking down these origins. 542:opinion that this is an important event" 105: 2919:Great idea, Gerda. Get to it. -- ā™¬ 1673:Talk:Andante and Finale (Tchaikovsky)ā€Ž 298:BTW the deadline, "by tomorrow" isn't 44:Do not edit the contents of this page. 2738:In case you missed the edit summary: 2699:don't hold, this needed some comment) 2665:The following response was posted to 2259:Baked Troll Ć  la nouvelle-hollandaise 7: 2112:My evil plan is starting to work.... 1486: 516:"No, we can't change the wording of 2170:will serve you as a reality check. 2876:List of compositions for piano duo 2684:First of all, I'd like to ask you 24: 3235:writing up the longer explanation 2850:Nye pravil'no, a spasibo. -- ā™¬ 1737:Department of Defence (Australia) 1357:Talk:Deaths in 2012#Roger Garaudy 869:They are a very generous family. 2677:Carry over from Jack's talk page 2268:surely nobody is that malicious. 2262:. I must ask him for the recipe 2058:but you can pick your own spot. 1490: 1269:Jack. Read your contribution to 1151: 936:Hi. I see that you have edited 787: 602:paragraphs in the intro! Horror! 184:premiered first Gustav Mahler's 151: 29: 2832:, seems much better than mine. 2345:Rules that I arbitrarily decree 1392:Talk:Kaikhosru Shapurji Sorabji 187:Lieder eines fahrenden Gesellen 2557:Now, this is where we differ: 2313:. I suggest he either go back 1107:Thames Diamond Jubilee Pageant 1: 2943:Carmen Suites (Bizet/Guiraud) 2941:Hi. When you recently edited 2872:Anthony & Joseph Paratore 1705:Update: I've now moved it to 1556:Hi. When you recently edited 480:right for a different reason. 196:by Johannes Brahms in Vienna? 3106:not have any reason even to 2830:kak by skazala moya babushka 2460:There's a huge gulf between 556:"No, this is not important, 3434:06:26, 31 August 2012 (UTC) 3413:14:41, 28 August 2012 (UTC) 3392:06:35, 26 August 2012 (UTC) 3369:11:43, 25 August 2012 (UTC) 3279:16:25, 10 August 2012 (UTC) 2598:was fine. It started with 1025:Enigmatic post from Kitty B 549:(Add a list to choose from) 178:... that in 1896, baritone 3449: 3247:11:20, 8 August 2012 (UTC) 3225:22:28, 4 August 2012 (UTC) 3210:11:47, 4 August 2012 (UTC) 3186:02:46, 4 August 2012 (UTC) 3176:The rest was fine. -- ā™¬ 3163:02:32, 4 August 2012 (UTC) 2772:05:44, 7 August 2012 (UTC) 2756:05:05, 7 August 2012 (UTC) 3346:added a link pointing to 3322:added a link pointing to 3267:With my very best wishes, 3121:21:39, 31 July 2012 (UTC) 3095:16:16, 31 July 2012 (UTC) 3067:07:02, 27 July 2012 (UTC) 3043:19:21, 24 July 2012 (UTC) 3027:08:05, 24 July 2012 (UTC) 3009:getting it touch with you 3004:21:27, 21 July 2012 (UTC) 2985:12:00, 19 July 2012 (UTC) 2929:08:05, 17 July 2012 (UTC) 2911:06:52, 17 July 2012 (UTC) 2892:06:48, 17 July 2012 (UTC) 2860:06:30, 17 July 2012 (UTC) 2842:05:48, 17 July 2012 (UTC) 2812:05:32, 17 July 2012 (UTC) 2797:03:51, 16 July 2012 (UTC) 2733:03:43, 15 July 2012 (UTC) 2676: 2478:O Brother, Where Art Thou 2291:discuss it on your page. 1637:21:54, 28 June 2012 (UTC) 1604:14:17, 28 June 2012 (UTC) 1547:22:17, 24 June 2012 (UTC) 1458:09:05, 23 June 2012 (UTC) 1443:07:43, 23 June 2012 (UTC) 1419:06:27, 19 June 2012 (UTC) 1404:05:23, 19 June 2012 (UTC) 1374:02:48, 18 June 2012 (UTC) 1351:00:13, 18 June 2012 (UTC) 1325:23:59, 17 June 2012 (UTC) 1310:23:37, 17 June 2012 (UTC) 1283:23:24, 17 June 2012 (UTC) 1255:00:04, 16 June 2012 (UTC) 1240:00:03, 16 June 2012 (UTC) 1138:03:05, 13 June 2012 (UTC) 1123:03:01, 13 June 2012 (UTC) 1096:02:57, 13 June 2012 (UTC) 1070:14:19, 12 June 2012 (UTC) 1056:10:36, 12 June 2012 (UTC) 1042:10:33, 12 June 2012 (UTC) 1020:15:24, 10 June 2012 (UTC) 913:10:58, 12 June 2012 (UTC) 879:10:55, 12 June 2012 (UTC) 865:10:36, 12 June 2012 (UTC) 851:07:44, 12 June 2012 (UTC) 560:is not important. Why is 2711:05:33, 9 July 2012 (UTC) 2646:03:24, 9 July 2012 (UTC) 2623:05:15, 8 July 2012 (UTC) 2587:04:46, 8 July 2012 (UTC) 2572:04:38, 8 July 2012 (UTC) 2537:04:16, 8 July 2012 (UTC) 2503:03:04, 8 July 2012 (UTC) 2445:02:33, 8 July 2012 (UTC) 2430:01:44, 8 July 2012 (UTC) 2400:00:18, 8 July 2012 (UTC) 2377:00:32, 9 July 2012 (UTC) 2361:00:25, 9 July 2012 (UTC) 2327:00:14, 9 July 2012 (UTC) 2301:23:45, 8 July 2012 (UTC) 2282:20:30, 8 July 2012 (UTC) 2235:19:59, 8 July 2012 (UTC) 2194:19:52, 8 July 2012 (UTC) 2180:19:42, 8 July 2012 (UTC) 2163:04:14, 7 July 2012 (UTC) 2145:02:49, 7 July 2012 (UTC) 2129:02:39, 7 July 2012 (UTC) 2098:06:39, 7 July 2012 (UTC) 2068:06:37, 7 July 2012 (UTC) 2038:06:08, 7 July 2012 (UTC) 2015:05:42, 7 July 2012 (UTC) 2000:02:53, 7 July 2012 (UTC) 1984:02:47, 7 July 2012 (UTC) 1968:11:14, 6 July 2012 (UTC) 1936:03:50, 3 July 2012 (UTC) 1906:21:54, 2 July 2012 (UTC) 1880:19:48, 1 July 2012 (UTC) 1865:19:38, 1 July 2012 (UTC) 1847:19:26, 1 July 2012 (UTC) 1827:07:12, 1 July 2012 (UTC) 1790:04:51, 1 July 2012 (UTC) 1772:04:02, 1 July 2012 (UTC) 1758:Yep, DoD. 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