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professional researcher, I don't need preaching on the importance of accurate sourcing..... as I noted, my work is clearly and openly referenced in more than 100 publications, many of which are up and down online, whether it meets WP notabiity requirements or not... and everything I offered on this ill-fated draft page was a verifiable, documentable matter of public record, even if my understanding of WP procedures is obviously lacking, and I regret the editorial frustration it must have caused
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of the 1966-7 Mariner
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I know your role requires you to look at many inputs, and thus appreciate very much your attention to this little contribution...so welcome your guidance as to how the principles of establishing a fair, accurate record of useful fact can be followed here... the reason why I started (from the original
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Graham Hancox (chief geologist) Bruce
Riddolls (geologist) and David Gobey (mountaineer) were the rest of the team on this expedition, among the first to take mechanized vehicles into the Antarctic mountain ranges. Area landmarks were named after each expedition member, Mount Hancox at 72° 38’ 00” S
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just for the record, please note, aspiring WP contributors, however misguided, can do without these types of editorial comments (above), put-down charges and paternalistic, lecturing tone, one of the reasons why
Wikipedeia risks losing respect from potential supporters... as (among other things) a
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Hi.. thanks for the quick response... I am very sensitive to, and respectful of the WIKI conflict of interest guidelines (essential to WIKI legitimacy and credibility), and have carefully ensured academic references are objective, professional (and where possible independently refereed) sources ..
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actually all the information is contained in the reference I cited, but would indeed take some digging (since it is in an appended Excel file), so fair point, and thanks for the detailed explanation....... as regards putting it on the `talk' page, how else to provide verification in view of WP's
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For the record, and out of respect for my three former expedition colleagues (we spent months in tents exploring through those magnificent mountains), and further to above WP editorial comments requiring documentation of locations, who the peak was named for, and respective position on the
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in any way ... your point about short-lived Google cache citations is well taken, but mine refer generally to published documentation (usually in academic and peer-reviewed publications).. and the Google reference simply allows access to an online version...
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we believe we have complied with the important Wiki `neutral source' criterion... by providing not only extensive non-Wiki, but also Wiki-sources for this article/// all references are accurate and independently verifiable
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strong discouragement to my (COI) posting on the subject page? WP guidelines state `If your changes are removed, please make no further changes until the issue has been appropriately discussed on the talk page.'
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all sources on this page of John E S Lawrence are clearly, (neutrally) referenced and independently verifiable.. and hopefully within WIKI guidelines, if not, please specify.. thanks JESL
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of the three mountains is verifiable -- but not who it was named for, and not his position on an expedition.
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