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charged with the security of the skies for the United States, collected 147 flying saucer reports at its
Technical Intelligence Division of the Air Materiel Command at Wright Field in Dayton, Ohio. On December 30, 1947, the order was given to begin a project to study the phenomenon, and an incident on January 7, 1948, reinforced the propriety of Air Force participation. On that date a large number of people spotted a UFO in proximity to Godman Air Force Base, near Louisville and Fort Knox, Kentucky. When three F-51 planes, led by Captain Thomas Mantell, went to check out the reports, Mantellās plane crashed after he reported that he was at an altitude of 22,000 feet. Although investigators concluded that he had blacked out from lack of oxygen, speculation persisted that Mantell had been shot down by an extraterrestrial spacecraft. While it is now believed that Mantell was chasing a Skyhook balloon outfitted with a camera (later used for secret reconnaissance over Iron Curtain countries), the more colorful and exciting extraterrestrial rumors were hard to quash. This was only the beginning of many hard lessons concerning the UFO phenomenon. The Air Force would investigate this and a growing number of UFO reports through Project Sign, set up on January 22, 1948; Project Grudge, set up on December 16, 1948; and finally Project Blue Book, set up in March 1952, and continuing for 17 years.
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universe, but also finding an extraterrestrial origin of UFO's unlikely based on engineering considerations." There's two other interesting things connected to this. One is that Lipp is one of a small team of engineers who helped launch the civil and military satellite reconnaissance programs during the Cold War. As you can imagine this was highly secret. If I wanted to distract the
Soviets from such a program, wouldn't it make sense to popularize UFO reports to hide the true nature of the program? Just a thought. Anyway, the other interesting thing about Lipp's appendix is it turns out a lot of UFO mythos comes out of this report. I won't go into that right now, because the sourcing is somewhat weak, but the most notable example in the literature is the idea that nuclear testing on Earth attracted the attention of UFOs. Lipp was the first person to publish this idea. Lots more to say, but I wanted to at least create the biography so that we can add Lipp and his notable Appendix in the Project Sign section of your article. Of course, you are welcome to take this and do it yourself as you see fit. Just sharing where I am at this point.
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being, the extraterrestrial hypothesis lost ground in the Air Force, but
Project Signās final report still left open the possibility that the UFO phenomenon might be something extraordinary and extraterrestrial. However, because it lacked the facts for an objective assessment, the study labeled the ideas of extraterrestrial space ships or atomic-powered aircraft "largely conjecture." In an appendix to the report on "the likelihood of a visit from other worlds as an engineering problem," James E. Lipp of the Rand Corporation placed thousand-to-one odds against the existence of higher life forms in our solar system and concluded that although space travelers from neighboring stars were much more likely than spaceships from Mars, this would require propulsion systems as yet unconceived on Earth. Visits from space were possible, he concluded, but they were "very improbable," and the actions attributed to flying saucers in 1947 and 1948 "seem inconsistent with the requirements for space travel."
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members say they have faced pushback from different corners and seen witnesses drop out. Bolstering the transparency effort is a bipartisan charge on the other side of the
Capitol led by Majority Leader Chuck Schumer, who has pushed legislation that would lead to the declassification of documents on the matter. The bill would amend the annual defense authorization to mandate government agencies to collect and submit records on UFOs to a review board within 300 days. āThe American public has a right to learn about technologies of unknown origins, non-human intelligence, and unexplainable phenomena,ā Schumer said of the legislation in a release. āWe are not only working to declassify what the government has previously learned about these phenomena but to create a pipeline for future research to be made public.ā
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in the article ārelevantā above another section to clearly imply that what was below was irrelevant. He did this without any comment in the talk page and then reports me for personal attacks (which I acknowledge and will stop doing). I seriously hope that the mods like you will look at his actions as well which involve terms like āappalledā in talk page comments and section titles like ārelevantā in the article to subtly ridicule and intimidate.
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University of Chicago in 1935. In 1956 he would go on to become the associate director of the Smithsonian Astrophysical Observatory, and 4 years later he became chairman of the Astronomy Department at Northwestern University. The year 1949 marked the beginning of a lifelong association with the UFO problem, culminating with his founding of the Center for UFO Studies in 1973.
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saw some documentary evidence and got some specific information about locations and program names and participants. Sticking to the specifics in the words given by Grusch and repeated in the best sources is the main thing to do. Eventually, most all commentary of any kind will get removed from the article unless any documentary presence ever shows up.
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articles. So, I have reverted the article to the version just prior to the copy right violations. Please don't do this anymore. Repeated instances can lead to being blocked and ultimately banned. And I don't want to see that happen. Also, please remove any material that you have copy and pasted into any articles. This will be very helpful. ---
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helpful given that we are so limited in our abilities to see the real needs of others and to help them toward those needs by use of "law and order" to enforce moral conduct. There is more discussion of natural law theory by Hart here as well on "For Now I Know in Part - A Visit with David
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before going much further. You clearly have a high level of interest in the Grusch page, and that's cool. But please do not let that interest devolve into disruptive editing, which I fear is becoming a real possibility. Such editing could lead to a topic ban or worse, and absolutely no one wants that
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Thanks for the note. A strong source with relevant points about security clearances and public medical history seems likely to be okay for a focused and minor point within the article. However, it is outside my realm of familiarity. I'll look over the
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Therefore it is most likely an illusion, currently covered by the press, and rogue intelligence officials failing to report classified SAP programs to Congress, also covered by the press. So, the real reason that Congress is upset is the failure to inform Congress about classified data and programs.
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Wow! What a treasure trove of a historical scholar! Thank you for sharing. There is no need at all, obviously, for me to take the lead with continued work. Please share yourself if at all inclined. Iāll certainly circle back and include this soon if you donāt. I also want to read some of his books.
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document attached to the report. This is very interesting on several different levels. On the one hand, Mark Wade summarizes it as follows: "In 1948 provided Appendix D to the report closing out USAF UFO Project Sign, making one of the first calculations of the number of inhabited planets in the
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Sorry, I got distracted by many other shiny things. Ape see nice object, ape like. Anyway, back to your outline: I was originally interested in adding material about Project Sign and Grudge way back during the Grusch article development spurt. I even downloaded a book to do it. But I need to go
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Inspired by the development of science fiction fan clubs and newsletters in the 1930s and ā40s, enthusiasts beginning in the early ā50s organized local saucer clubs where members could meet to discuss the latest developments. By the end of the decade, some had grown into vibrant organizations, with
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Thanks for the note. My use of āridiculousā and āfan the flamesā is personal language that is against policy. I would consider my serious concerns about the narrow use of strong secondary sources and academic disciplines to be legitimate, however. The editor to whom I was responding names a section
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That is a great opinion piece. Just reread it. Even though an opinion piece, I think there are a few bits of info worth including in several articles indeed (as the position of the author). Iāll get work on some. At any rate, Iām sure that some news stories are going to start connecting some these
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That's hysterical! We'll have to rename my talk page the one-stop shop for fringe-science related article editing. What a lovely reputation I'm getting. But this source that you shared is fantastic and does need to go into a whole long list of articles. I'm genuinely fascinated by American history
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is not a particularly bad writer or director. What I think you'll find interesting, is that the film is a fictionalized account of the modern UFO mythos that attempts to explain it in contemporaneous terms using what can only be described as hilarious plot points. For example, an actor portraying
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It seems your goal is to record what is happening now for the benefit of future historians and using Knowledge as a vehicle for doing that. This is a laudable goal. And in regards to this Grusch article I am wondering if it is worth your valuable training and experience to put so much effort into
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As I recall, Hart has talked about natural law theory in a couple of interviews but has not written about it from what I can remember seeing. From what it said in one interview with Tony Golsby-Smith (I think), Hart doesn't really disagree with natural law theory but he also does not find it that
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I don't know exactly what type of articles will best be served by your training and experience. Well, one that comes to mind is Artificial Intelligence (fondly known as AI), which is causing serious concern. Another is the work behind developing manned missions to Mars and that planet's eventual
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I'm thinking it would be better to apply your talents to articles that are more mainstream and have a potential to impact the direction of our nation and the nations of the world. I don't think an article such as this and the other related article you recently edited will have such an impact. It
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It wasnāt as bad as it could have been. It would have been better if the editing was a bit tighter and they removed some of the more extraneous scenes. The ending was a bit sudden as well. All in all the acting was good. I think the best improvement they could have made was to strip away the
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would be too great. So she kind of got that wrong. She goes on to say, "This minor scene in the movie provides an interesting framework for interpreting the cultural development of the alien abduction phenomenon, which has rested on the idea that humans can access suppressed memories through
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Sorry for the multiple messages here, but I'm thinking it's best to keep it simple and about the New Testament and fairies as it is. Roland will be a fun surprise for those new to Hart who follow the DYK link to read more... (And I don't think I've got the time to consider this any time soon.)
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Anyone know of good sources that noted and commented on how Charles McCullough (President Obamaās former Intelligence Community Inspector General who represented Grusch in his Intelligence Community Inspector General complaint) was seated directly behind Grusch in the Congressional
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I'll take a look later. I do better when I have a specific task at hand, so if you can delegate by pointing out a tiny area that needs work, that might help motivate me to participate. I'm just more effective when I can zero in on something small. I like the surgical approach.
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So it looks like after that press release, Mick West popularized the claim that Compass Rose had dropped Grusch as a client. But the rumor (based on the above) is that McCullough left the firm to represent Grusch. We need sources, of course, but there arenāt any.
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Yes, there is one good source that still calls him the attorney for Grusch and the two hour video of him sitting right behind Grusch during the Congressional hearings. But no media commentary or clarity. Oh well. More sustained confusion in an odd case.
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Knowledge simply exists to accurately reflect whatever the majority of excellent secondary sources say. I think that the article does that, but there is always room to improve. Let me know what facts from what sources are missing in your estimation.
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Hello. At this moment, I am not able to get over the talk page of the current article we are both working on. But I want to say a few words in general about the historic value of this article compared to other, more down to earth, articles.
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This is the reason why Knowledge is rapidly loosing interest. By the bias remarks on a subject like David Grusch. A completely one sided article. Why did you not focus on David high ranking status and employment and others on the stand??
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colonization. There is also the technologies being developed to ameliorate the impact of Global Climate Change, such as fusion reaction, which seems to be an interesting field of historical value all on its own.
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investigations with all of the factors in view (such political, cultural, national security, etc.). They both have many articles and interviews available with strong reliable sources as well as books coming out
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underlying drama (which was added to move the plot along) and just get down to brass tacks with extended dialogue and discussion. This could have become a cult classic if they did that.
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I think the vast majority of Congressmen do not believe we are storing extraterrestrial vehicles and bodies. So how much of an impact can this story have in the end?
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Thank you. To withdraw it, do I simply delete the tag at the top of the talk page, or is there another process I should track down and follow?
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Kind of you. This was fun to read. You have me figured out. The author had a lot of mixed feelings and articulated them well.
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Thank you! I've just added two citations that are much more direct on the nominations page. Glad that it might be considered.
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Thatās very cool. Iāve not seen a to-do list used before except with review templates. Thanks. Iāll give it some thought.
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Please watch this. this guy is a top security geopolitics analyst. extremely smart and an absolute expert on the topic.
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Thanks for the help with the title, and I hope that you and many others might start to help with the article.
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Hi Jjhake, I have noticed that you have interest in the work of David Bentley Hart. I have enjoyed modifying
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