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1548:, for example. It is argued that one should not write a subsection title like "Atheism leads to poor morality", because this kind of title is already taking sides on the issue (I tend to agree with this argumentation). BTW, in this sense your version is better than the subtitles that were in the article before my edits. There are still problems though, for example: the "sexism" title predisposes the reader to consider every criticism written in that section as necessarily connected to a sexism charge. But the comment by J.K. Rowling is not necessarily connected with this kind of accusation in any way. The title is leading the reader to interpret the allegations in a certain and possibly misleading way. Anyway, I'm not in the mood to insist on further modifications right now. Good editing. -- 1408:"1)Using a geographic description in addition to the title of a Church has to be one of the poorest excuses. What is not understood is that regardless of additional descriptive properties "Catholic" Church IS the common title of the Petrine Church in the equivalent manner as "Anglican" Church is the common title of the Church of England...regardless of any descriptive meanings of the words "Catholic or Anglican". If anything it proves how inappropriate it is to impose an extrinsic adjective upon an institution that is not titled in such a manner. If that is allowed then where does it end. Why not add to the Greek the Athenian Orthodox Church, or say London Anglican Church since the symbolic head of the Anglican communion resides there. 1276:" seems especially appropriate for that development. The one thing I regret, though, is that doing so may end up giving even more prominence to Creationism as only meaning Biblical literalism, ID, etc (since, at the critique section, it will become another "answer", instead of an alternate meaning). To remind the readers that there is more than one way to define a "creationist" was, IMO, one of the positive effects of the quotation. The article is currently lacking in regard to alternate meanings for the term. -- 1754: 1629: 1458:

I'll take that for the terms "Catholic and Catholicism". However, we are not allowed the common title of our Church in the name of outlandish excuses, instead the Catholic is supposed to swallow a term imposed by others outside the church, Anti-Catholicism, as is the preferred connotation of those against the Petrine Church. Where are the concessions coming from the non-Catholics?

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exclusively on what we would call simply "the Catholic Church", what, however, very many prefer to call "the Roman Catholic Church". Changing the title would, I still fear, bring back the previous confusion. In any case, the burden of proof lies on those who want a change, and the arguments they have proposed have failed to convince me.

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he said (e.g. "George Coyn, former bla bla bla, stated bla bla bla"), and work it into the main text, as the vatican's view of things. As Addhoc said, if we were writing Coyn's biography, we could do this. And as for my welcome, it wasn't meant to offend. I'm sure you have much to offer to Knowledge (XXG).

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box questioning their accuracy. The accuracy is not inaccurate I do not think, it is rather the person affiliated with questioning who is frustrated over particular views. It also allows me to shy away from revealing my associating with the topics I deal with. I find it the most preferable way of editing.

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Additionally, and possibly the strongest point is historical. (What do you think about this?..) How did the initial author of the term "Catholic Church" describe that church as and does it still exist? Yes,, and there is documented proof that leaves no doubt that it is the present day Petrine Church

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This it the type of patronizing rhetoric I've received from what I consider at this point, outwardly Anti-Catholic editors in this site. I know there is a good faith policy, sure, but the repeated disrespect and blatantly forward condescending attitude is just too obvious to conclude anything less.

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Thanks for your recent message in my Talk concerning my edits. I think we could probably agree to have a section headed 'Critique' containing the three (currently!) remaining paragraphs, followed by a section headed 'Response to Critique' containing the two paragraphs I removed? This would make for a

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Please bear with this historian's nit picking; I like your work but as a historian I'm a bit concerned about the recurring use of plausible reconstructions in the Flat Earth article. I've just found that the ship on the horizon discussion (which you didn't add) is problematic -- at least as concerns

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Thanks for the recent edits on Flat Earth; I've reformatted the footnotes to conform to existing standard style. Could you pin down exact pages in Dreyer for your citations regarding Diodorus of Tarsus and Severian? Also, would you check that my reformatting reflects the source you actually used; I

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I am very pro-Lewis, but I can't agree with your last edits to the Narnia article. The section is about criticisms, and naturally divides into "accusations of racism", "accusations of sexism" and so on, even if the accusations are rubbish. The article is not there to explore Lewis' views of gender

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2)Since "Catholic Church" is NOT a description, but the title of the lone Church titled as such, by far, historically, in the present and by the world at large it deserves to be title as such. It is not ambiguous, Anglicans do not say they are going to the Catholic Church, do they? Thus, no point in

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On the other hand, your argumentation appears to rest solely on your subjective feeling of what is more encyclopedic. Well, I feel that the article is more complete and encyclopedic with the quotation. If you absolutely need to have the quotation removed, please discuss it at the article’s talk page

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Remember that we have to respect the neutral tone and layout that is expected of an encyclopaedia. Inserting the quotation in this way is just not encyclopaedic: I could see this happening in an article or a history book, but we can't put PoV quotes into prominence. What you can do is summon up what

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Well, before you could answer, I did this other climatic zone diagram on the right. I do like the way it looks, it's very didactic and, I hope, uncontroversial. Now that I took the job of modifying the text, it would be easy to change it again. So, if you have suggestions for its improvement, please

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6)Since, this article is NOT from within the Church there is no way to confirm that it is not mentioned pejoratively, thus the additional push to disregard this disrespectful term. Face it, the only way to prove an article's description is not meant pejoratively is only if it comes from within the

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5)The Church in the few instances where it does add the descriptive adjective "Roman" it is used in reference to its Petrine primacy and only when describing or comparing the Church with other schimatic churches. This fact, is perfectly exemplified in Pope Pius XII's encylical Humani Generis where

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Hi, the web site you listed as your reference doesn't appear to be working. Also, I don't approve of including quotes for someone's POV. If this was a biographical article, for example, some quotes would be ok. However, this is about an overall concept that includes many religions and denominations

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Leinad (=daniel spelt backwards), what do you mean by relapsing? do you think editing articles on wikiedia is a type of sickness?? ;-) probably true! I like your webpage esp. chocolate milk, your interest in religion and science, your love of nice respectful people and above all Brazil! I love Sao

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Lastly,Knowledge (XXG) is not a Protestant or Anglican outlet. I mean really how many Protestants, Anglicans, or Orthodox refer to themselves as "Catholic", yet that article is presented from the non-Catholic POV(as well as Catholicism). Yet, the Catholic is supposed to shut up and take it - fine,

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4)The listing of a Parish as Roman Catholic is reference to the Rite not the Church at large(albeit slang, where "Roman" is interchanged for "Latin") just as Byzantine Catholic churches are frequently listed as Greek Catholic Church. Since this article is discussing the Church at large and not the

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I would like to respond to your question. I think it's best to be anonymous so others do not associate me with a particular view. I have noticed that if someone does not like my edit, regardless of how little I add in my own sentiments or how much truth is in them, they will erase them or put up a

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When editing Knowledge (XXG), my emphasis is in trying to make the articles easy to understand, that's why I chose to use that diagram. But, if you are still worried about the picture, I guess I could work more on the image and make it simpler (with no distinctions between Asia, Africa and Europe,

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3)The personal ignorance of a Catholic which refers to himself as Roman Catholic is not an excuse to go by such a term. Many of these same Catholics are the same ignorant Catholics that think Catholics of other rites are not real Catholics. Thus, ignorance is no reason, if any a reason for proper

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When I first began to work on Knowledge (XXG), there was little to distinguish this article from that on "Catholicism" or "Catholic", I don't remember which of these two articles, perhaps both; so I proceeded to make this one clearly distinct, practically rewriting it entirely, so as to focus it

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I am aware you have supported the change of the article for the proper name "Catholic Church" in the past. I am determined to have our voice heard again and have this issue reviewed and hopefully repealed. However, there is no way I can do this myself, I need you help and anyone else that may

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I notice that you previously tried to quote a large section of the article you cited. Although citations are good, please do not copy and paste excerpts from secondary sources word-for-word, as they may be copyright violations. (The quotes from the primary source - i.e. the book itself - are

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I'm similarly concerned with the map you've just added, showing a superimposed T-O map and a Macrobian zonal diagram. It's plausible; it may represent how medieval figures saw the situation; but do we have evidence for such a map in the Middle Ages. As you can see, I'm concerned with having

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Hi, Yandman. You do realize that I've been editing wikipedia much longer than you, right? It is weird to be "welcomed" in wikipedia after months editing it. The specific edit you reverted is sourced at a reputable website. It is also not against NPOV policy to quote a relevant opinion in the

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to Knowledge (XXG)! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Unfortunately, one or more of your edits have not conformed to Knowledge (XXG)'s Neutral Point of View policy, and have been reverted. Knowledge (XXG) articles should refer only to facts and

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and its 23 churches in full communion. (I am presently researching the material, it is facinating!) If anyone or any group has the right to be named by such a term it should be the actual institution which the original author and his companions were referring to.

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1335:. several of the accusations are definately false. Perhaps you should leave that partof wiki detective work for those a little more seasoned in detecting it. I hope you continue to edit though. Your passion for editing is definately useful :) Peace. -- 1574:

Hi Leinad! Thanks for the heads-up. Suggest you just go ahead with your plans. I am not so good in doing redirects and I might just botch up the job. :) Perhaps just put something in the discussion page on the history of this thing. All the best!

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only escalate a situation; please keep calm and remember that action can be taken against other parties if necessary. Attacking another user back can only satisfy trolls or anger contributors and leads to general bad feeling. Please try to remain

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I've also flagged the passage about Lactantius's heresy and lack of influence I couldn't find a mention in the Catholic encyclopedia and it needs a reference. Personally, it seems unnecessarily argumentative and I'd drop the passage entirely.

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On a totally different matter, please note that one of the images of Sacrobosco's Sphere (Image:Sacrobosco sphaera2.jpg) that you recently contributed was mislabled on the University of Toronto web page; it's actually of George Peurbach's

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Weird, the website was working just fine earlier today. Notice that the quotation is from a relevant figure in the debate, I honestly think it fits the article. I reinserted the quotation at a lower section; I hope is a good compromise.

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You gave the reason that this is Hinduism's comparision with Christianity. Can i ask How? Theories of Drawin and Mendal are not just connected to Christianity. Any religion can be connected with these theories for positive or negative

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I understand this as requiring, in the case of the proposed exclusion from an article entitled "Catholic Church" of any account of an understanding of the term "Catholic Church" different from that classified as the primary topic:

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I acknowledge one assumes an ip individual is blind to Knowledge (XXG) rules, if introducing much new material it simply means I must “climb the mountain” …and wait until the person stops objecting and acknowledges they

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Paulo even though I have never been I want to visit it more than any place on earth for the graffiti...sorry i digress...I agree both articles must be improved. I will try to do some and maybe you can help. thank you

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Overall, I agree with Yandman's comments, the web site is now working and you appear to have quoted from a lengthy article. It would be more appropriate to summarize these views and introduce them into the main text.

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Welcome to the English wikipedia. I assume from your edits that you have been active on other language wikipedias, but welcome here nonetheless. If you need help finding anything, feel free to ask. --best, kevin

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Hi, Nadav. I basically had the same doubt you expressed above. I found that phrase being attributed to "Henri Paincore" in a list of quotations in Portuguese. I just did a Google search that revealed the quotation:

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Off the top of my head, no, but that is the standard interpretation of those types of objects in european cathedrals. They date from way before common acceptance of round earth, and fit with cosmology of the time.

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If it weren't too late - someone has archived the voting even before the deadline of 8 September - I would now change my judgement on Option 3 to: "Support. I find the arguments for a change unconvincing."

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I see what you want, a clear image showing the spherical earth, the antipodes, and the climatic zones. I think I may have found one that will work. Its a 12th c. manuscript from the south of France at

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he mearly mentions "Roman Catholic Church" as he speaks of churches not in full communion. Because, in that entire encyclical Puis referrs to the Church as simply "The Church" vs RCC 46 times to 1.

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that has tips on how to effectively write about disparate points of view without compromising the NPOV status of the article as a whole. If you are stuck, and looking for help, please come to the

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became a very popular medieval source. About 150 late medieval manuscripts of his Commentary on the Dream of Scipio have survived, most of them accompanied by this interesting world map.

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It's basically the English version of the same phrase. I’ll update my user page with the English phrase, now with the proper reference. Thanks for making me finally settle this. --

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for example). Finally, I appreciate your attempt to make the article more reliable and understand the importance of being scrupulous in this particular context. --

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trying to identify the source of that image. Please reply there when you have time. There's no rush since I see we're both trying to take a wikibreak :-) --

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I see your point. With my modification I was trying to adopt in the Narnia article the same criteria of NPOV titles that is being used in articles such as

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pulling out the ambiguity alibi Also, the article describes one Church, it is not a comparative study of several churches, no confusion to be entertained.

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Please consider improving the article to address the issues raised because, even though removing the deletion notice will prevent deletion through the

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Notice that you are deleting my edits in a rather rude way (even using "popups", a tool that, AFAIK, is intended for reverting vandalism). Moreover,

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7)There is no neutral point of view where both sides are equally respected. Since, the Protestant/Anglican POV is represented in everycase (i.e.,

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the way you reverted my edits may have something to do with the fact that Addhoc initially confused me with some kind of deleting-source-vandal

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Worthy but non-notable academic. No indication (either in article or his academic homepage that he meets any of the criteria in WP:ACADEMIC.

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on talk pages using four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically produce your name and the date. If you have any questions, check out

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Yandman, user Addhoc appears to have, at least for now, accepted the compromise I proposed. (See also his talk page in that regard.)

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other picture, that I had also considered to use, was very similar to the schematic diagram. The text that comes with the picture (

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where there is a link back via "Catholic Church + some distinguishing word or phrase" rather than directly to "Catholic Church".

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on your user page, and someone will show up shortly to answer your questions. Here are a few other good links for newcomers:

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Eu reparei que está a contribuir em artigos relacionados com a lusofonia e gostaria de convidá-lo para participar na

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for everything in our articles, especially for one which has been as controversial in the past as Flat Earth was.

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I am sorry I was not clear enough about my understanding of the guideline on primary topic. I was referring to:

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Hi, just a quick note, it may not be the best idea to continue to accuse people of sock puppetry as you've done

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It is important to keep a cool head, especially when responding to comments against you or your edits.

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There is a good quote by Russell I like, "I would never die for my beliefs because I might be wrong"

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much clearer understanding of the argument (in the best sense of that word!) by the general reader.

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The name "Roman Catholic Church" doesn't worry me: if the Church accepts it, why shouldn't I?

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Rite, the usage within the church by the "listing" excuse does not apply to this article.

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My most significant points for change are found in the one of my latest post as follows:

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for the quote on your user page or if this is a different person I am not familiar with.

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I had no intention to say this map was necessarily "the way" people saw the world. But

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