587:
more domain over this page than anyone else and will go back and forth with everyone as much as needed. I ask though that people please respect the truth and not keep putting things up simply because they are cited. As I'm sure you know many things that appear in articles are wrong. I know that people out there will not just take my word for it but ask they do out of understanding and respect for the artist involved. In any case I know you are just trying to preserve the integrity of the site and process and will work within the guidelines to make this page as best as it can. It means alot to me. Thanks.
565:
you would best want to wait until after 24 hours to avoid potential misunderstanding with the edit warring situation). If they do, you would need to convince them of your position, again, within policies and guidelines. I don't have any opinion ultimately on whether the sentence to which you object ultimately should or should not remain in the article; that would be up to you and its regular contributors (although further feedback is available if you cannot agree, as per
717:. I saw the dispute you were having with Moonriddengirl and thought that maybe I could help out and possibly explain things in plain talk rather than "Knowledge (XXG) speech". :) I know that you are new here and you are trying to follow the guidelines and policies of Knowledge (XXG) and very much appreciate that. (Just a disclosure, I'm not an admin or anyone given any authority, just an editor like you, but I've been around for awhile.)
631:
724:, the verifiability policy of Knowledge (XXG). I'm not sure if you've read that policy or not, it's not important that you know it inside-and-out but it will be helpful to understand the basics of it. Essentially, Knowledge (XXG) is based on "verifiability, not truth" which can be a foreign concept to anyone who hasn't been involved in this project before. This means that even if you
606:. You should make notes there and give interested editors an opportunity to respond. However, I'm afraid that respect for the artist has nothing to do with it. Regardless of your connection, you must support your contributions to the article with reliable sources. Knowledge (XXG) will not take your word for it. It is against two of project's three core content policies (
389:
233:
564:
I will remove the tag if you are content to allow me to restore the material while you work within process by talking about your problem with it with other editors at the article's talk page. If other editors do not object to your removal of that sentence, then you can remove it without issue (though
586:
Yes, please remove the tag. Who though are these other editors? All I am trying to do is get everyone to understand that I am in a unique position to help this page be as factually accurate as possible. I respect everyone's ability and desire to help build this page. I do not mean to say I have any
211:
I understand the policy. We are merely updating the facts here. Updates with new facts will continue to be very well sourced as best as possible and we are looking to just get the truth and facts across. It will remain neutral, and this is not to self promote as much to avoid any misinformation and
537:
in removing this text (not to mention that you are also removing the source for
Allmusic for no apparent reason). It is this concern that has led me to tag the article and request additional feedback from other contributors at the conflict of interest noticeboard, since conflict of interest issues
499:
If that is you who put the conflict note at the top of the page, please take that down. I am merely trying to help clean this page up and do not know why you are doing this to us. \\It is not right or fair. I don't want any conflict with you. I would like to work together and do not who you are or
372:
Absolutely. We understand that this page is supported by a community of people and fans and are not claiming any type of ownership of it. We have total respect for
Knowledge (XXG) and the process. We are just trying to get alot more accurate and neutral facts up there which will be coming soon. We
548:
Thank you for your response. I am new to this and just learning the
Knowledge (XXG) system. I will do my best to follow the guidelines as they are. May I ask how to remove the conflict banner at the top of his site now? That is just terrible that that is up there. Thank you for your time and help
532:
for a bit more. I appreciate that you have a desire to help create a factual, informative article, and I hope you will, but I am concerned that you may not be going about it the right way. No matter your connection to this individual, you are bound to operate within
Knowledge (XXG)'s policies and
454:
I respect your ability to add/delete comments now please respect mine. Please stop this back and forth and I ask that you understand that I am merely helping make this page more accurate. It is you now who are acting as if you have ownership of this page when all I am doing is making it more fact
321:
Hi
Moonriddengirl. Thank you and I appreciate the information. I am fully aware of the policy of Knowledge (XXG). Unfortunately we have had many problems with both misinformation being put up about Devendra and people taking down facts about him that are true that should be up there. We will not
160:
Hi there, this is
Devendra's management. Together with his record label Warner Brothers (likely a man named Josh Creter there) we are going to be making a number of edits and additions at the expressed wishes of Devendra. Thank you for looking after this page and please note that all edits and
337:
So long as your edits remain within that guideline, there should be no problem. Please understand though that your connection to this individual does not give you additional authority over the development of the article, although the
Wikimedia Foundation is certainly sensitive to issues of
735:. Let's say that you see the Mayor mow his lawn wearing a dress. Let's say you actually visit his house and have lunch with him, and he talks at length about his love of wearing women's clothing. Could you edit his article and state that you know that he is a practicing
244:
policy, edits where there is a conflict of interest, or where such a conflict might reasonably be inferred from the tone of the edit and the proximity of the editor to the subject, are strongly discouraged. If you have a conflict of interest, you should
739:? You wouldn't be able to, because you don't have any way to back up that information. Perhaps if you took a picture of him mowing his lawn in a dress, you could upload that picture, but even then someone might say it was a joke or something done for
646:
prohibits making more than three reversions on a single page within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the
515:
I was not the last person to restore the text you have been removing; another editor did that in response to your blanking material without explanation. I explained to you above the problem with your removing that text. It meets
455:
based. This is not right or fair what you are doing. I am telling you he was misquoted and never said such a thing and ask that you please understand this and respect my edits. Thank you.
181:. I would request that any edits you make follow these policies. I would also ask you to remember that anyone is able to edit this article. Finally could you please sign any comments on
322:
stand idly by and let this happen and all we are trying to do is insure that more truthful information and facts get out there. Thank you again for your concern.
373:
just want his fans to be able to find out more interesting things about him that are not up there and help watch out for misinformation. Best and thanks.
538:
are not an area where I typically work. I have never, to my knowledge, edited this article before, and I am unfamiliar with this gentleman's work. --
417:
There is reason to remove the "naturalismo" comment. That interview contained a number of misquotes in it including that comment. Thank you.
602:
I will remove the tag and restore the material pending your discussion. The place to hold the discussion is at the talk page of the article,
533:
guidelines. If the material you were removing were libelous, that would be one thing. But there is no compelling reason for you to sidestep
355:
289:
241:
308:
237:
236:
If you have a close connection to some of the people, places or things you have written about on
Knowledge (XXG), you may have a
56:
664:
569:). (I will note that removing this, however, may be complicated by the fact that there is a long quote from this gentleman at
534:
51:
747:(some published evidence). A newspaper article, or a book, or something else along those lines is needed to prove your case.
648:
643:
529:
304:
524:
to substantiate that it is wrong. This constitutes a conflict with
Knowledge (XXG)'s practices and policies, which forbid
34:
264:
articles related to you, your organization, or its competitors, as well as projects and products they are involved with;
654:
271:
61:
297:
293:
750:
I hope that helps clarify matters a bit, if you have any questions please feel free to leave me a message at my
659:. Please do not repeatedly revert edits, but use the talk page to work towards wording and content that gains a
41:
30:
68:
72:
212:
let people know more about
Devendra than is currently up there. Thanks you for your support and concern.
660:
351:
84:
76:
603:
635:
303:
For information on how to contribute to Knowledge (XXG) when you have conflict of interest, please see
46:
405:
668:
615:
577:
539:
488:
471:
445:
409:
363:
312:
201:
151:
111:
88:
695:
588:
550:
501:
470:
We can't take your word for this. You must produce reliable sources just like any other editor. --
456:
418:
374:
323:
288:
Please familiarize yourself with relevant policies and guidelines, especially those pertaining to
213:
161:
additions made by me and his label are approved by Devendra himself. Thanks, Lookout Management
37:. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:
83:(~~~~); this will automatically insert your username and the date. If you need help, check out
743:. In order to contribute information to an article you need to verify your information with a
397:
714:
484:
480:
347:
281:
178:
639:
393:
121:
611:
339:
170:
166:
767:
751:
574:
744:
566:
525:
521:
441:
437:
359:
500:
where you are but will be happy to discuss this more on this page to get this resolved.
401:
392:
Please do not delete content or templates from pages on Knowledge (XXG), as you did to
307:. For more details about what, exactly, constitutes a conflict of interest, please see
186:
136:
96:
721:
630:
607:
517:
433:
343:
280:
to the Knowledge (XXG) article or website of your organization in other articles (see
174:
731:
Let's take a hypothetical example, let's say that you live next door to the Mayor of
736:
130:
728:
that something is true, that doesn't mean that you can claim it in an article.
713:
Hello Lktmgmt, I was brought over to your talk page because of a notice on the
756:
570:
740:
732:
573:, which suggests that he coined the term himself in describing "what we do."
362:
if other editors do not agree with your proposed direction for the text. --
388:
232:
770:
703:
689:
671:
618:
596:
580:
558:
542:
509:
491:
474:
464:
448:
426:
412:
382:
366:
331:
315:
221:
205:
155:
115:
440:
to substantiate that it is wrong? Otherwise, this would constitute
274:
about articles related to your organization or its competitors; and
400:. Your content removal does not appear constructive, and has been
80:
720:
One of the core principles of Knowledge (XXG) can be seen at
681:
When you post a message on someone's talk page, like you did
173:. At the moment this article is very well written, very well
408:
if you'd like to experiment with test edits. Thank you.
338:
misinformation in articles regarding human beings. (See
682:
396:, without giving a valid reason for the removal in the
165:
Could I please make you aware of wikipedia policies on
350:, however, development of the article is a matter of
127:I have noticed that you have removed the statement
91:, or ask your question on this page and then place
479:I've listed this matter for additional review at
444:, I'm afraid, which is a violation of policy. --
305:our frequently asked questions for organizations
135:. Could I ask what your reasoning is for this?
685:, do not delete other messages on the page. -
8:
638:according to the reverts you have made on
358:over the article, but should instead seek
67:I hope you enjoy editing here and being a
634:You currently appear to be engaged in an
340:the biographies of living persons policy
354:. You will want to be careful to avoid
95:before the question. Again, welcome!
129:Banhart has referred to his music as "
240:. In keeping with Knowledge (XXG)'s
7:
663:among editors. If necessary, pursue
481:the conflict of interest noticeboard
309:our conflict of interest guidelines
42:The five pillars of Knowledge (XXG)
432:The quote meets Knowledge (XXG)'s
33:to Knowledge (XXG)! Thank you for
14:
356:seeming to exert ownership issues
715:conflict of interest noticeboard
629:
387:
231:
520:, and you are not bringing up
1:
694:Apologies. I did not mean to.
342:.) So long as information is
294:verifiability of information
171:biographies of living people
57:How to write a great article
786:
771:00:33, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
704:21:31, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
690:21:28, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
672:21:01, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
619:23:19, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
597:23:03, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
581:21:51, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
559:21:42, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
543:21:32, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
510:21:09, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
492:21:08, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
483:. You'll find the listing
475:21:02, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
465:21:00, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
449:20:56, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
427:20:54, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
413:20:50, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
383:20:48, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
367:20:42, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
332:20:35, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
316:20:01, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
222:18:25, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
206:17:25, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
156:16:30, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
116:16:27, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
404:. Please make use of the
85:Knowledge (XXG):Questions
699:
592:
554:
505:
460:
422:
378:
327:
217:
526:unpublished information
251:exercise great caution
604:Talk:Devendra Banhart
290:neutral point of view
242:neutral point of view
167:conflicts of interest
612:no original research
518:verifiability policy
434:verifiability policy
282:Knowledge (XXG):Spam
272:deletion discussions
238:conflict of interest
29:Hello, Lktmgmt, and
651:. If you continue,
665:dispute resolution
535:dispute resolution
360:dispute resolution
52:How to edit a page
35:your contributions
649:three-revert rule
644:three-revert rule
442:original research
185:pages with ~~~~.
122:Devendra Banhart
75:your messages on
777:
765:
762:
759:
754:. Thank you! --
688:
642:. Note that the
640:Devendra Banhart
633:
530:the business FAQ
522:reliable sources
438:reliable sources
394:Devendra Banhart
391:
235:
197:
194:
191:
147:
144:
141:
107:
104:
101:
94:
77:discussion pages
785:
784:
780:
779:
778:
776:
775:
774:
763:
760:
757:
745:reliable source
711:
686:
679:
627:
311:. Thank you.
298:autobiographies
229:
195:
192:
189:
145:
142:
139:
125:
105:
102:
99:
92:
62:Manual of Style
22:
12:
11:
5:
783:
781:
710:
707:
678:
675:
669:Moonriddengirl
626:
623:
622:
621:
616:Moonriddengirl
614:) to do so. --
584:
583:
578:Moonriddengirl
546:
545:
540:Moonriddengirl
497:
496:
495:
494:
489:Moonriddengirl
472:Moonriddengirl
452:
451:
446:Moonriddengirl
436:. Do you have
410:Moonriddengirl
370:
369:
364:Moonriddengirl
320:
313:Moonriddengirl
286:
285:
275:
265:
228:
225:
209:
208:
124:
119:
65:
64:
59:
54:
49:
44:
21:
18:
16:
13:
10:
9:
6:
4:
3:
2:
782:
773:
772:
769:
768:
766:
753:
748:
746:
742:
738:
734:
729:
727:
723:
718:
716:
708:
706:
705:
701:
697:
692:
691:
687:SpacemanSpiff
684:
676:
674:
673:
670:
666:
662:
658:
656:
650:
645:
641:
637:
632:
624:
620:
617:
613:
609:
608:verifiability
605:
601:
600:
599:
598:
594:
590:
582:
579:
575:
572:
568:
563:
562:
561:
560:
556:
552:
544:
541:
536:
531:
527:
523:
519:
514:
513:
512:
511:
507:
503:
493:
490:
486:
482:
478:
477:
476:
473:
469:
468:
467:
466:
462:
458:
450:
447:
443:
439:
435:
431:
430:
429:
428:
424:
420:
415:
414:
411:
407:
403:
399:
395:
390:
385:
384:
380:
376:
368:
365:
361:
357:
353:
349:
345:
341:
336:
335:
334:
333:
329:
325:
318:
317:
314:
310:
306:
301:
299:
295:
291:
283:
279:
276:
273:
269:
268:participating
266:
263:
259:
256:
255:
254:
252:
248:
243:
239:
234:
226:
224:
223:
219:
215:
207:
203:
199:
198:
184:
180:
176:
172:
168:
164:
163:
162:
158:
157:
153:
149:
148:
134:
132:
123:
120:
118:
117:
113:
109:
108:
90:
86:
82:
78:
74:
70:
63:
60:
58:
55:
53:
50:
48:
45:
43:
40:
39:
38:
36:
32:
27:
26:
19:
17:
755:
749:
737:transvestite
730:
725:
719:
712:
693:
680:
657:from editing
652:
628:
625:Edit warring
585:
547:
498:
453:
416:
398:edit summary
386:
371:
319:
302:
287:
277:
267:
261:
257:
250:
246:
230:
210:
188:
182:
159:
138:
128:
126:
98:
89:my talk page
87:, ask me on
66:
28:
24:
23:
15:
709:Some advice
653:you may be
227:August 2009
131:naturalismo
79:using four
677:Talk pages
571:Freak folk
93:{{helpme}}
69:Wikipedian
752:talk page
741:Halloween
733:Cleveland
661:consensus
352:consensus
71:! Please
636:edit war
402:reverted
344:reliable
262:creating
47:Tutorial
25:Welcome!
696:Lktmgmt
655:blocked
589:Lktmgmt
551:Lktmgmt
502:Lktmgmt
457:Lktmgmt
419:Lktmgmt
406:sandbox
375:Lktmgmt
348:neutral
324:Lktmgmt
278:linking
258:editing
214:Lktmgmt
179:neutral
175:sourced
31:welcome
20:Welcome
549:here.
528:. See
296:, and
253:when:
187:Martin
137:Martin
97:Martin
81:tildes
576:) --
567:WP:DR
247:avoid
726:know
722:WP:V
700:talk
683:here
610:and
593:talk
555:talk
506:talk
487:. --
485:here
461:talk
423:talk
379:talk
346:and
328:talk
218:talk
202:talk
183:talk
177:and
169:and
152:talk
112:talk
73:sign
667:.
270:in
260:or
249:or
761:am
758:At
702:)
595:)
557:)
508:)
463:)
425:)
381:)
330:)
300:.
292:,
284:).
220:)
204:)
154:)
114:)
764:a
698:(
591:(
553:(
504:(
459:(
421:(
377:(
326:(
216:(
200:(
196:1
193:5
190:4
150:(
146:1
143:5
140:4
133:"
110:(
106:1
103:5
100:4
Text is available under the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License. Additional terms may apply.