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attacks, ad hominem, or anything less than civil discussion with Darknipples, and have provided useful guidance to this newbie. I repeat what was one of the first things I had to explain early on: Blunt is not uncivil. Please don't conflate the fact that I do not raise my pinkie whilst sipping tea to mean that I am attacking users and violating the rules. I am not.

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me. If my impressions are incorrect, well, I truly apologize. Clarification may help. Why are you "warning" me? If you believe I'm violating the rules, you have an obligation to approach administration with your concerns. They can clarify for you whether your impressions are correct. In the meantime, 'warnings' strike me as baiting.

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The more I look at it, the more I am starting to think the term "Gun Show Loophole" needs it's own page on WP. The other editors do not want this term associated with the "Gun Show" page, and I can only think of a few particular reasons why. Nothing against them, I just think that if they believe the

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I was wondering if you might know what the protocol is for changing that section header. Should I wait for more people to respond to my query on the talk page, or did Cullen have the final say on that? I thought I'd ask you instead of just going straight to the Tea House, but I'll leave you alone, if

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OK. Well let me know when you have something you want me to look at. Remember the scope of the article... it shouldn't go off into detail about other gun-control and gun-rights related topics (though mentions of, summaries, and Wikilinks to other articles are OK). You might want to look at what I've

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Again, if you have any questions, I will do what I can to help. It really just takes time. And knowing a few editors who will give advice, kindly, is nice, too. For the first few months I edited here, I felt so lonely. Almost gave up many times, but I kept hanging in there. Remember to breathe - and

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Seems like that would be kind of a cluster****. Not to mention the way the talk board is formatted could lead to major confusion. Anyway, thank you for the vote of confidence. I really just want to improve this article, and I don't really care about sides. Chow for now. DN 18:31, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

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for article development instead of a place to store random links, content, or other information you deem worth saving. That way you can as many edits as you like, take as much time as you like to locate sources, and hone your text before loading the content to Main Space. For example if you wish to

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Cullen is a pretty good guy, in my experience. I think he's just trying to prevent edit warring, which happens a lot on these gun-related pages. However, some of the worst offenders (who happened to push pro-gun POVs) were banned a couple of months ago, and discretionary sanctions on the subject in

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From what I gathered at the TeaHouse, there needs to be some sort of consensus on a compromise for any disputed changes to be made. I'm not sure how many editors there are, but there are 55 watchers currently. Is there a chance that most or all of them are going to chime in with different opinions?

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article was because I and no one else knew that you were "in the middle of expanding the section and is working from 1963 forward". These templates are typically used as a common courtesy and as a practical tool whenever making a major copy edit or (as often with your style of editing) a series of

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There isn't a single word of my comments that you called out that are: personalized attacks, that don't assume good faith, that violate any WP rules. I tendered some helpful guidance to a new user. I do not appreciate being threatened by a "warning", which seems a patent attempt to cow and silence

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Cullen's demeanor really surprised me since he basically ignored my response and then said something on my talk page that seemed somewhat contradictory to his recent statements..."I probably won't have much more to say on the gun show issue. I rarely enjoy editing in divisive topic areas, and find

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I am aware of discretionary sanctions. I am not biting the newcomer (which is a new addition to what you first warned me about - are you attempting to game the system? That can be particularly dangerous when discretionary sanctions are at play). I've violated not a single rule. I've not employed

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Bringing up gender, suggesting (passively) that it matters, then suggesting it doesn't matter, in order to attack my behavior is unacceptable. Gender is irrelevant in an anonymous medium. Your presumptions about what I may or may not 'imagine' are uncivil, and the passive suggestion that gender

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I am not ignoring you, DN. I own a business and have to devote 90% of my attention the needs of paying customers, and didn't have time to respond to every one of the points you made, many of which were good ones. I just commented that I would be happy with a compromise section heading that you

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I support the Second Amendment, but I also think we could have better regulations. IMO, a lot of the Knowledge (XXG) gun related articles have a decided pro-gun or gun-rights POV. Like you, I only want to improve them, which from my trained editor's eye, usually means adding some

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I don't plan on editing the header without a consensus, or at least a compromise, which by the way, doesn't seem like much considering how biased "controversy" sounds to anyone with a different point of view. Speaking of which I found some articles that may help dispute that...

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policy. That said, articles related to gun control are under discretionary sanctions now, so we must not be turds. Take it slow. Be respectful. Follow the rules. But don't let either side intimidate you. (I was bullied and tag-teamed mercilessly when I first started

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Sorry I haven't added much to it yet. I keep finding bit and peices and adding them to my sandbox. I have something to add to the criticism section later. I keep seeing references that also refer to GSL as "The Brady Law Loophole" or "Private Seller Loophole"-FYI.

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POV pushing on both sides of the issue is common on all articles relating to gun control. Saying "delete after reading" is not a good tactic, since the edit history of this page is there for all to see. I have seen that comment. Transparency is best.

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Citations do not necesarrily have to be in any particular format (although, I personally think everyone should make use of the citation templates and when adding cites to an existing article they should be in the same format, but that's just

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to seek outside help. And if you do keep doing what you're doing - which appears to me to be biting a newcomer - then I will escalate my complaint. In the meantime, if you have a complaint with my behavior, by all means, take it to admin.

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I've been putting together potential sections and links in my sandbox. I'm not sure if you're able to view any of it, but I'd love some feedback before I start adding it to the talk page later. Hope you are having a good day.

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Cullen - Please understand that I simply do not wish to share specific info with anyone other than LB. I do not trust the intentions of some of the people here, but I see your point, and feel rather ridiculous, now.

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So I just went to your sandbox and I saw a lot of small sections with raw URLs, but I didn't see anything that looked like a finished draft that you would move into the article. Do I need to look somewhere else?

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You're doing fine, DN. I'm sure Cullen didn't mean for you to feel ridiculous. I know exactly how you feel - I've been there myself - and I'm trying to keep an eye on that article and your work.

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I'm beginning to suspect that some of the editors on GSL might be taking advantage of my inexperience in order to assert their WP:POV on the subject. Delete this message after reading.

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Ah, ok, gotcha! Yeah, bare url's in article space like that are a pet peeve of mine, too. Looks like you got a triple crown (unformatted, bare url and a blog as a source). Good work!--

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As for the in-use tag, I was aware, but when I read about it I chose not to use it. I haven't been aware of any other editors of articles that I watch/work on using it either.

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No, it's not just you. Stand your ground, but don't let him bait you. I think he's one of those best-defense-is-a-good-offense guys. I just keep on responding civilly.

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I didn't mean that he/she should use like WP:CS1 or something like that, only that he/she had used... what's it called? (hang on, while I look it up) - like the "

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start a new article or section you can create a specific subdirectory by simply typing the article name in your browsers URL box. Something like...

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Yea, I posted without !voting. I'm not sure what my option is. Clearly she is/will be notable. Not sure if the current sources support that.

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two terms should be separate, it wouldn't be such a bad thing. The page will never improve if editors are constantly at odds, as it is now.

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this particular area polarizing. As I take a middle ground personally, I find both sides of the dispute to be inflexible."

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don't let anyone bait you. And remember to sign all your posts with the four tildes. You seem to keep forgetting that. ;-)

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suggested. Once this is resolved, I will probably take the article off my watch list, for reasons previously stated.

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Your disagreement is noted. We will have to agree to disagree on the scope of civility within the bounds of policy.

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PS: If you do rename that section header, do it with only the first letter capitalized - "Gun show loophole" - per

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Again, if you have a complaint about my behavior, and my answers here don't satisfy you, please take it to admin.

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What I meant when I said that your edit confused me is that I can't recall anyone else ever editing my sandbox.

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I was thinking the exact same thing. My granddaughter is here but she'll go home later today. Can we talk then?

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Assuming we're talking about the same post (the one that I referred to on your talk page),

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I also warned you because there are discretionary sanctions on gun-control related pages.

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general were put into place, so, believe it or not, this discussion is going pretty well.

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requesting that the copyright holder release this (or similar) media under a free license

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I've added to the controversy section. Please make edits as you and Anastrophe see fit.

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I guess I'll be backing you up for a while, since no one has responded to me, really.

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Is it just me, or does Mike seem to have a somewhat obstinate demeanor about him?

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http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CREC-2013-02-13/html/CREC-2013-02-13-pt1-PgH481-3.htm

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No need, DN. You are new here and are conducting yourself well so far.

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Thank you. I'll see where that goes, and possibly just go to the RSN.

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I also feel kind of like I'm being ignored by everyone but you...

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Great! Yes, I can look at it. I'll try to get to it later today.

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Cullen, please excuse me while remove my foot from my mouth.

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you prefer not to be bothered. Thanks again for talking

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