User talk:Lilith2396 - Knowledge (XXG)

263:. Even if you revert it, it stays in the edit history. So in fact we can have it. You have given it away and waived all rights you had to it by posting it here; it is now under the GNU license. But see, that's not the attitude to take. It's not about "mine!"--you as a leftist (you do seem to be one, forgive me if I'm wrong) should understand that. Rather, it's about sharing your knowledge and improvements with the world. You are contributing to a wider project, one that hopes to expand and categorize human knowledge, and is already one of the most incredibly useful references in existence. You are taking part in a great undertaking, and even I, stingy conservative deletionist bastard that I am, feel kind of good about that. It's not about me; it's about the world. Knowledge (XXG) is about 271:. Original research is not inherently verifiable, and permitting it would risk allowing Knowledge (XXG) to turn into a constant ideological war zone. Well, it already is that, but allowing OR would make matters worse. Using established sources ensures a certain amount of respectability, and helps filter out cranks, fringe theories, and blatant lies. Unfortunately, Edward's analyses of Kant and Rand that he wants included is original research. It might be very good original research; it might be the best damned original research that God's green earth has ever seen. However, it is still original research, and until he gains sufficient notability himself, the should not be included. 932:

enough in our intellect to earn respect instead of asking for it wherever we go. As far as Nilges, he was banned for his conduct long before he started editing the Ayn Rand article. The applicable rules do not permit him to get around this block by using anonymous IPs and so we merely enforced the applicable Knowledge (XXG) policies. If you are not a sock puppet of Nilges, then I again urge you to make constructive edits instead of writing long posts that ultimately won't make any difference in Nilges' Knowledge (XXG) fate.

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to be a good-faith communicator and to identify himself. He cited Wiggershaus' major and hard to get history of the Frankfurt school to improve the Adorno article in 2005. He apparently actually read Kant before improving the Kant article and apparently, amerindianarts did not. Recently, he removed information from the Extended Precision article when told it appeared in Aribitrary Precision.

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This is even less literate since you've not only eliminated "is concerned" to complete the adverbial phrase, this adverbial phrase has no verb and is merely you losing your temper. For the last time, a troll is one who posts anonymously to get a rise out of people, and from the start Edward attempted

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It's WRONG to call a gal a philosopher when the only reason she was believed was her sordid success at writing trash. It's far more wrong to label someone so adept at expressing his views, so familiar through actual reading of primary sources...who it seems majored in philosophy and taught it with a

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Encyclopedias don't include fraudulent people. To avoid legal liability, the fraud has to have a name independent of the perp. Therefore, there is a Lysenkoism since a large number of people were forced to believe a "dialectical" account of biology in the Soviet Union. There is a Creationism because

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I have friends at McGraw-Hill. How do you suppose they feel? I'd guess relief, in not being a target, and anger, because Herb's books were tech-edited. You resent the predominance of Microsoft hardware which caused the code examples to work, and Clive Feather found his great "standardization" effort

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The truth is that Schildt has been strongly criticized. From what I understand of the situation, thn e people who are criticizing Schildt are doing so because they believe what he published on C to be fundamentally incorrect, and that this may well in fact be verifiable. It is debatable whether this

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In each case, overawed without admitting it by Edward's arguments, and, where he cites based on reading books as opposed to mindlessly and ignorantly citing factoids and Web sites, not able to follow his reasoning, you have made a single argument: don't listen to this man, he is a troll (ein Juden)

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that you will reconsider the track you are following. Knowledge (XXG) is not out to get you. I am not out to get you. I in fact think you should stay and contribute constructively. I am, however, sick and tired of the abuse that Edward has heaped upon other editors, and am less than thrilled to see

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There is genuine trouble, much of which you cause to people like Schildt. At the same time, the disruption is symbolic in your case: your peace of mind, your sense of yourselves as knowing all there is to know (which Edward seems to have quite a lot of fun with, being genuinely well-educated, if an

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my edit to the New Math article. You can't have it. Edward contributed content about Kant based on his reading of Kant and not some encyclopedia, on Adorno based on Wiggershaus, on Poussin, on legacy computing...only to be driven away, probably so Jimbo Wales can make another million when wikipedia

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Since then, this incident has been used to refuse to discuss Edward's numerous and intelligent contributions. Despite this, he got the Kathy Sierra and Herb Schildt articles changed to make them conform to wikipedia's own policies, in a way that protects not him (instead, it exposed him to further

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His persecution started with Amerindianarts, who labeled him a troll merely because Nilges felt that responsible authorship of a philosophy article demanded some interpretation that would be inappropriate in an article about mere facts external to the mind. Amerindianarts did so without discussion

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Oh, just dry up. I am all too familiar with pompous fat technical men who with subaltern jobs overcompensate for their utter lack of distinction by issuing such pronouncements, and I've seen their technical dreck destroy companies. You've been deliberately cruel to Schildt, you tried to call Kathy

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know is that flaming and insulting other users is not the way to win friends, influence people, or reach consensus. Despite the fact that he frequently has legitimate points, Edward has shown himself to be incapable of participation in a civil debate. When he has been called on his behavior it has

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This has nothing to do with white males, it has nothing to do with Jimbo Wales, it has nothing to do with hatred. It has to do with myself and other users being tired of the constant stream of abuse from Edward and now, it appears, from his friends. We have stolen nothing from Edward--the edits he

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You seem to think you know what "trolling and vandalism" are. You construct a pretty page in which everybody speaks in pear-shaped tones, and you gaze at this, as Ste.-Juste gazes, in Abel Gance's Napoleon, at the beautiful mound of death sentences. The fact that to do so you've caused pain is not

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Edward Nilges is right, even if he's a weird guy (I know him personally). Trolling doesn't mean "things that offend white American males". It means (look at your own definition) anonymous and insincere postings. I have identified myself as he has and I posted what I feel. It appears to me that all

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You talkin' to me? You talkin' to me? Or to Edward? Never mind: I don't give a damn. This is Fascist talk. Fascists are quite fond, in fact, of the outraged pose, that of the petit-bourgeois aping his perceived betters, who is in a permanent state of outrage that his children are being taught by

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If this is what you truly believe, why exactly are you here? "Stupid convenience store clerks", as Edward likes to call us, are not going to change their minds based on your brilliant prose. So the way I see it, you have two options: 1) pick an article that you can contribute to in a civil and

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Certainly, Edward is trying to derail certain closely-watched trains of thought. He justifies it consistently by reference to your own policies insofar as they make sense to him. Of course, intelligent people are often warned not to excessively hermeneuticise (is that a verb? oh well) texts, but

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I am almost 100% certain that nobody can alter Nilges' "wikipedia fate". I'd only add that you don't know how to write, and for this reason, your metaphors reveal who you are. You're pornographically interested, aren't you, sweetie, in seeing the symbolic destruction of someone because you're a

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You make two incorrect assumptions: 1) you assume I'm a man and 2) you assume I'm less qualified than Nilges. Just because some of us let our Knowledge (XXG) contributions speak for us instead of our names does not mean that we're less qualified than Nilges; it merely means that we are secure

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You have already violated the three-revert-rule on this talk page. Because you are relatively new, I'll let that slide this time. I suggest you stop assisting blocked users in evading their block though. Blocked users don't get to edit (that's the purpose of the block). That includes talk page

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your primary purpose here appears to be to argue with as many people as possible. Your communication with others is limited to pointless profanity-filled tirades insulting everyone around you. That type of conduct is what makes you a troll. Since you clearly have no intention of either

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friends of his engaging in the same behavior. I want to see it stop, one way or another. I would prefer for both you and Edward to stay, and to contribute civilly and in good faith while respecting others' differing opinions. Go read the policy. Go read the archives and edit histories on

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We're getting only your side, since you so often remove his comments. We have heard you repeatedly complain about being "insulted". If you can't stand the heat get out of the kitchen, and don't put other users into gas ovens, lest the smoke of that great burning overcome

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Your primary purpose here is to set up as a false authority: I don't care how many books you've written, you're an inadequate person who prefers wikipedia since you can form micro-communities with your fellow misfits and creeps world-wide, and define a micro-misfit

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I threw up right about the point where you said "it's about truth, not ideology", because ideologies are ideologies precisely when they make such claims, and about the time when the human sacrifice, here, so far, of reputation and time of disfavored contributors,

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he's more literate than you, yet like the French, of all people, you are constantly in a vain and silly attempt to legislate the meanings of the words. Then, like the French of the Terror, of all people, you go and condemn people based on your silly dictionaries.

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You found this quite a surprise. This is because as soft males and subaltern harridans, you are accustomed on your day jobs to taking rations of shit, and as authoritarians, you come in here wounded by your treatment itching to project your anxieties on someone

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You are insulted if I call you Nazis? How about I call you Burmese generals? How about I call you Bush creatures? You've endangered Edward's meatspace reputation by labeling him a troll, yet you labeled him a troll so as to look good in any kind of casual

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All you have to say is, "Nilges? he's a troll", and in any kind of superficial hearing, you come off to the ignorant as the nice, normal people, whose normality is constructed by the (false) image of Edward you project as some homeless guy in a public

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I find this tiresome and patronizing, and sexist. You boys certainly love your terms of art. But you can't neologise your way out of your basic cruelty and malice. Furthermore, you aren't exactly word smiths, are you? You criticise Edward precisely

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Jews, or homos, or the Interhamwe, and who renarrates his basic anger at a civilization that has subalterned him a righteous anger, in the name of a higher purity of education, which allows him to burn down the schoolhouse and kill actual teachers.

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Like the Burmese generals, you are indifferent to the pain of others when you're not causing it, and for what? An encyclopedia that is becoming a massive joke, which editors forbid their reporters to use and which teachers forbid their students to

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And dig this, hon. I don't give a flying fuck whether you're a woman. None of your buddies are real men, and you take up the cause of a small group of redneck white boys who are trying to privatize wikipedia and cashout by driving away its best

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Because of your lack of education (sometimes actually instilled in you at institutions of higher learning such as the University at Amherst, brave Amherst), you think society is composed of atoms, and nothing else. "There is no such thing as

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However, you don't seem to pause to consider the disruption that you intend to cause individual, isolated targets with your malicious conduct, or if you do, you seem to delight in it. Your conduct endangers jobs and causes pain to family

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Precisely as the "freedom" of pornographers became the "freedom" to put women and twinkie gay men into humiliating and painful situations on screen, your "freedom" becomes the freedom to assert a control that you don't have over your

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Oh, am I being naughty? Too bad. The real pornography is your intellectual pornography, in which you allow and encourage the use of wikipedia as a machine to destroy the reputations and standing of decent individuals who aren't rich

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You are in your ignorance endangering people including hard-working teachers who come here and contribute, because you consistently find fault with them (often owing to your own limitations) and then drive them away...stealing their

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under your charter to consider the content of his views, and in each case, his very prolixity was that of a man not "trolling" but telling you why he thought the way he did. In each case, he was friendly until you fucked with

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You little creeps generate inhuman concepts at warp speed, don't you. Oh, now, what's "wikilawyering"? Standing up to Massah? Being an uppity Nigra? Being a Westernised Oriental Gentleman who has studied too much for his own

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Amerindianarts neither understood nor discussed Nilges' contention. Nilges as an older man accustomed (as is evident from letters and opinion articles he's published) to speaking his mind, responded brusquely, and without

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Edward's verbosity was an artifact of his attempt to be collegial and assume good faith under the original rules of wikipedia, and to marshal his arguments. Simplicity of writing so fetishized is usually associated with

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Once again, white boys prove incapable of understanding a "freedom" that is not a lifestyle accessory of people already popular, whose ability to be just a cut above the utterly banal makes them the toast of the

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He's not. He's a teacher and an author who's also supported a family. Of course, if you manage to destroy his reputation, he might be a homeless guy, but he'll be more the man you'll ever be even so.

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Edward self-identified without any prompting or encouragement on our part. Even then, I sincerely doubt that his real-life reputation will be destroyed by something he wrote on Knowledge (XXG).

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despite the fact that Nilges was being encouraged by the informal leader of the group to change the article: that moderator told Nilges to comment less and write more.

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Knowledge (XXG)'s civility policies do not incorporate a body of noncriminal law and instead outline a code of conduct. This argument doesn't make sense and violates

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He defends others like the man you'll never be. I've seen his work on the libelous Schildt page. Schildt is being attacked for being a successful author by people

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Stop adding your defense to the above page. The page is simply for listing RfCs, it's not for you to start defending yourself on. Save it for the RfC itself.

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Sure, as Edward says, you're all too ready to spot people more literate than you and enslave them, and then drive them away if they as field hands get uppity.

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In adverbial clauses, the natural constructions are virtually limited to "as far as" - "is concerned" - or "as far as x goes", and the verbal extensions may

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Outer Space Is Where You Discover Wonder, Where You Fight And Never Hurt Earth. If You Stop Believing This, Your Mood Turns Ugly. - Jenny Holzer,

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You're extremely close to a permanent block from Knowledge (XXG). Whether logged-in or not, trolling on any Knowledge (XXG) page – including

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You know this, but after the failure of Richard Heathfield's book C Unleashed, nobody was interested in publishing your self-advertisements.

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Your civility is hypocrisy and you're beyond corrupt, because you are in a Star Wars cultural fantasy in which you're pure and good.

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positive way and get cracking on it, or 2) go away. In layman's terms: either roll up your sleeves or get out of the kitchen.

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It looks like I'm here to make your lives miserable. This would not be the case had you been like the original wikipedians.

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criticism should be included on his page--I've not looked into the matter enough to come to a conclusion yet. What I

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You've created nothing more than a virtual plantation and you're possessed by the ghosts of your Klan grand-daddies.

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BA only...as a "troll", and it sure as hell sounds to me like a bunch of Germans, circa 1933, saying "Juden, raus!"

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accuses me of copying from him involved the removal of a few particularly ridiculous adjectives from the lead of

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Please, try getting both sides of the story before you buy into Edward's BS. Right now you are just being

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But as a primitive community, you need your little human sacrifice. Blood guilt bonds you in your shame.

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Watch this page folks. Watch a new user get labeled a "troll" and permanently blocked for her writings

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has been filed concerning your conduct on Knowledge (XXG). The RFC entry can be found by your name in

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The general definition of a troll is someone who is being a troublemaker--posting irrelevant comments,

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contributing to Knowledge (XXG) or remaining civil, this will be my last response to you pursuant to

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Sierra a liar until Edward stopped you in your tracks, and most people haven't your respect for Rand.

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You actually believe that one guy, such as Schildt, has started a perverse movement, Schildtismus,

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sadist who is forced to be a masochist in the real world. His "fate" thrills you and your friends.

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online harassment) but Herbert Schildt, Kathy Sierra, and Jimbo Wales, the last from liability.

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and don't need any lessons from someone who completely lacks the ability to concisely convey a

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discussion, Amerindianarts proceeded to use mechanisms to permanently label him as a "troll",

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point. With this kind of writing, I can only imagine what type of school would hire you as a

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You want me to be another naked slave, and it titillates you to imagine me thus, doesn't it?

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as Jews were labeled "dirty Jews" and hounded out of the professions in Nazi Germany.

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You think it won't damage him because you are playing with yourselves and he wasn't.

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was invited to teach philosophy at university level after graduation with a BA only

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comments. You will find yourself blocked as well if you continue this behavior.--

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You have the right to free speech. Unless you're dumb enough to actually try it!

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You got that from him. You didn't notice it until after he pointed it out.

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No professional writer would use "as far as writing ability" like that.

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important to some of you. To others, that's the whole point, isn't it?

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only worsened, to the point where he issued legal threats against me.

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real social structures are forcing real teachers to adhere to it.

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He then turned, as someone who unlike the other contributors,

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