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articles, as it contains links to them. In which case the Super League template should go. Which I'm not sure about, because Super League is the current embodiment of the competition (and so somewhat more relevant/significant), and I'm happy with the way the template on super league articles is called "Super League", y'know? I dunno if I'd like the Super League articles to contain a template called "Rugby Football League". I know what you mean with the NRL template. I'm far more familiar with that situation than with the English situation. In that template we don't make any distinction between New South Wales Rugby Football League seasons and New South Wales Rugby League (since 1984) seasons because that was just a name change (Much like Northern Rugby Football League to Rugby Football League, I think). Also the ARL was effectively the same organisation as the NSWRL and was also pretty much just a re-branding. The NRL did represent a more major shakeup of things, but I think less than that of Super League in England. Here it remained a winter season and all parties agreed that (club, player, etc.) records would continue unbroken from pre-NRL times. Not sure if that's the case with Super League or not. But it did become distinctly separate from clubs not in the top flight didn't it? I understand that in RFL times, it was just the RFL with first and second division. But now we have Super League, distinct from National Leagues One and Two. This, combined with the change to a summer season to me represents a more major change.--

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more context, e.g. good old newspaper articles. I haven't had a chance to go through all of his articles yet but some are great, quite a few of them are based on his historical RL books. There is one, it might have been pre-schism, when a touring England captain is explaining to the Aussies how a new rule works back home. I think the general rule is early rules were changed (

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RLFC, which is a rugby league club, rather than a football (soccer) club. There are very few links to the page, all of which are currently being diverted to the RL club, and all the recent ones (some by me) seem to have been made by mistake, expecting them to be directed to the football club's page.

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from a fairly basic and boring NFL team squad based table to the much prettier Rls template. The one thing that I would like to add, but aren't sure how, is the view/discuss/edit links to enable quick editing of the template. It used to be done by the {{navbar|PAGENAME|plain=1|nodiv=1}} template.

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too long. Some of the football articles were giving one sentence per game, let alone up to two paragraphs like I was. Trouble is a game of rugby league isn't easy to document in one sentence, so I've generally limited myself to a 'four sentences per chronological week' rule, that limit also including

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Hi Dynamo, I've just seen all the work you've been doing with editing piped links (a lot!). With the Crusaders ones though, I noticed a few edits where you have changed pre-2010 articles to show just 'Crusaders' when their name was 'Celtic Crusaders' at the time. When a club changes its name, there's

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I noticed you gave the history section of the article a C rating. If this apart alone was worth that rating, then it is my point of view that the main article would be worthy of that or higher. The article was reviewed some months ago by Special Windler and he kept it a Start but I have carried out a

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Hi Drawoh, thanks for getting in touch. The page was redirected to the rugby league football club when created several years before, in fact. I've looked for information on the AFC club but haven't found anything that convinces me to support changing the purpose of the page for now. The club doesn't

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No worries. The thing we need to decide is if the Super League only template stays. The idea with templates I think is that they go on articles that they link to, and also if a template links to an article it should appear in that article. So the RFL template (as it is now) should be appearing in SL

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Thanks for that - I've removed the "edit" from appearing by default, mainly because if it's transcluded, then the wrong page is editted, and if it isn't transcluded, then the normal edit tag at the top of the page or at each section break will work as per normal. The only time you need a quicklink

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I think the March style is fine in length and detail. It gets to the key points with less reading. If you, personally, wanted to get more down, you could still go into more detail on more memorable or significant matches. The new style would also make it easier for someone to do a similar thing for

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Hi LunarLander, I've been back to the articles linked to Crusaders Rugby League with 2006, 2007, 2008 and 2009 in their titles and changed "|Crusaders" to "|Celtic Crusaders". I'll need to revisit the other Crusaders Rugby League linked articles to see if their "|Crusaders" link predates 2010. Best

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Generally I am against titling using the sponsorship but there are cases for it. Things like the Regal Trophy and, as you mentioned, the Co-operative Championship, I go along with. In the championship's case, mainly because they chop and change names and formats so often and because the coverage of

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edit and thought you may be under a misapprehension about how things work around here. In a content dispute, the onus is on the person wishing to retain the material to demonstrate a consensus. As you have been the only one arguing for its retention, with a couple of people arguing for its removal

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Thanks! I feel the same, it's really interesting to see how the game has been shaped over time. The very early stuff is, as you know, British from before 1907. The person who I've seen go into most detail on this kind of thing is Sean Fagan (rl1908.com). He goes into the detail of the past giving

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You can access that template and fill in the fields a bit more easily by going to "my preferences" at the top of your screen, going to "Editing" and I think the one you need to check is "Show edit toolbar (requires JavaScript)". It means you can click an option when you have an edit window open.

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article for an idea of best practice (and other sports club articles). The rating for the main St Helens article is for the whole thing so having one good section won't mean the rest is ignored in the assessment, they will need to be worked on too. Having too long a history section (if it is too

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I doubt there'd be support for changing the SL article names. The seasons when the NSWRL season was called the Winfield Cup are just called YYYY NSWRL season. I prefer the format: "The 2009 Challenge Cup (known as the Carnegie Challenge Cup due to sponsorship)" with the article name being "2009

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Glad to see someone else making good contributions to European rugby league articles. But I'm not sure what you've done with the Rugby Football League seasons template is a good idea. Super League seasons shouldn't be under the same banner, as this was not just a change of name, but a change of

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I thought this article, supported by the extensive referencing, had moved beyond a start class and was good enough to merit a C rating; so your efforts and Windler's have given a good boost here in my brief assessment. I'm not experienced in thorough assessments though but could give it a go,

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I really like the templates LunarLandar. Any chance you can build these in Live? We really need the templates for squads as the 2010 squads are now being officially announced by some clubs. Can you let me know when they are up and running as I want to start updating some articles. Cheers.

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if I should ever be so lucky). As weird as it sounds I like getting other people to review my work and give me a pat on the back, and if other rugby league fans find what I write useful, that's a bonus. I've got too many commitments here and in real life to do anything else, I'm sorry.

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I don't think listing the service area is a good idea though, it means nothing to people outside rugby league, isn't relevant to the tournament (which is not a BARLA tournament in any case) and can be misleading (Keighley is the Bradford service area but Keighley isn't Bradford).

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Whoops, I realised it's a different play-off system in place this year. Excuse my minor lapse in memory there! Is it ready, in any case? We could add it to 2009's article now, even if only as a blank template. It could still add something by illustrating the play-off system.

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pre- and post-match news. This seems to have halved the amount I'm writing whilst still mentioning the key bits in each game. According to my approx calculations, the article should be of a good length come the season's end. You can see an example of this in the

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organisation, winter to summer, etc. And dividing up all the pre-Super League seasons (into NRFU, RFL, etc.) I think is unnecessary because I understand that they were merely name changes, not organisational changes. I think the way it was before was fine.--

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lot of the pointers he suggested along with referencing the article thoroughly. I have additionally added images where necessary. I would be grateful if you would consider reviewing the article and constructive suggestions would also be vastly appreciated.

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Merge and redirecting (if you have used content from both) or just redirecting (if you haven't added anything to the final article) could be an idea, if you feel the variant spelling is useful for someone would expect to take them to the correct article.

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Secondly, now I'm not including every single piece of detail about every single game in the main body, the small infoboxes I made on the 2009 page actually have a use; for mentioning the parts of the game I haven't put in the body. Should I put them in?

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page. I have a suggestion though. What about adding a section under assistants for Physio. Or just amend the syntax so we could change the assistant titles and then I could use one of the spare assistants to add the title of Phsyio and then add them.

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doesn't have a section for this club like it does for other local sporting teams and there doesn't seem to have been any news reporting on the team since 2012 when they had to change their name from Widnes Town because it was already being used.

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Love your work on all the rule changes. Something I've always been interested in and thought needed more detailing on wikipedia. Do any of the sources mention how they were instigated though? Whether from Australia, Britain or co-operation from

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On reflection following Shirt58's post, I agree my edit summary was not as well-mannered as it could have been and, though you haven't mentioned it directly, I'd like you to know that I take back what I wrote and hope your feelings weren't

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long) will probably count against you for style and efficient selection of information. That's my layman's opinion but I don't have any higher class assessment criteria to quote because its not something I've got into. GW might know more.

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Do you know how to get them on their team box thing where every team has their jerseys on the bottom of their team box thing where it has all the details about the team i think you may know what i mean but here are the jerseys anyhow

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article from the Independent in 1994 points out. The authorities that ruled union actively sought to ban anyone even representing rugby league in any way. Since you seem interested in this subject, I thought I'd pass it on.

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article, which you edited, about the "great schism" between league and union. I was adamant the story went beyond cultural differences between the working and middle classes, and after some digging I found I was right, as

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Another query re. the history section. I don't know whether I should be asking you or GW but if, as I suggested on the main talk page, the history section was to be reduced on the main page, would it lower it's rating?

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ladder from Engage Super League XV to Super League XV. I believe that the sponsorship should be included in the header as due to sponsorship the league has to be referred to in media as the Engage Super League

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though as there has been two previous attempts to decide a naming formula already that have not reached consensus. In the meantime the status quo (as of a few days ago before you made changes) should remain.

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logos from all the teams who switched to the USARL have been changed back to the older ones as the new ones belong to the star group (business partners of the amnrl)Youndbuckerz 13:48, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

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Sorry for WikiStalking, but I'm pretty sure using company names is banned under Knowledge (XXG)'s MoS. I just can't find where I've read it before. I think the most that's allowed is a "(also known as

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to articles placed under flagged protection. Flagged protection is applied to only a small number of articles, similarly to how semi-protection is applied but in a more controlled way for the trial.

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Hey there John, I see that referral to the sponsorship as a courtesy at the time of the competition but the brand is "Super League" and past competitions are not referred to with the sponsorship name.

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Use the most used term, which would be "St Helens", but since that would already apply to the town, "St Helens RLFC" would be next best in my opinion. Others have been kept to abbreviations, such as:

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complete? I'm nearing the completion of a new article on 2006's Super League season results on my sandbox, so if it's ready I could add it to the new article straight away with no worries. Cheers,

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article, there are some mistakes in the article at present: Bridgend isn't a service area Wales would be correct, Keighley ought to be Bradford and Featherstone and Castleford should be Wakefield.

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On the SL ladder template, I thought it was unnecessary (because the articles it is on can mention sponsorship if needed in their lead as I gave the example above) and kind of cheapened the it.

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I moved the page and just thought it would sound more professional to state the full name of the club. However I can see your point on more typing and the redirect issue. Your views please?

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When a section is a summary of another article that provides a full exposition of the section, a link to that article should appear immediately under the section heading. You can use the

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to your attention. Call me lazy but I just thought since you're so familiar with the topic and the articles covering it, you'd be best for incorporating it into the encyclopedia. Ciao.--

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By all means, open a discussion on the project page (on any topic because it would be good to increase the activity on there) about this but I think formats are fairly well established.

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Thanks for your response. I understand your reasons. I've now added an "about" template to the Rugby League club's page, so that anyone who goes there by mistake can be redirected.

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Same applies for the Championship and Championship 1, due to sponsorship they have have to be referred to in media as Co-Operative Championship and Co-Operative Championship 1.

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As you seem to know a bit more about this than I do. Could you take a look at this article? The info comes from their website but conflicts somewhat with what is written on

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Article was fine with the flag icons, and it's lost them, without any apparent discussion toward proper consensus. Sigh. Perhaps we should look to escalate this matter?

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your comment at the EII RfC. The "closing time" you put the comment under was for discussion about closing the RfC, not for additional comments to the RfC.

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You're welcome. I haven't seen the show and I have several other things I'm hoping to do on WP when I get the time but good luck in improving the article.

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It's ok, I found the answer by looking at one of the other templates - looks like it can be parameterised to highlight a row for club season articles. --

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Who won the Lancashire League this season? I'm confused beacuse says St Helens did, but the season and county leagues articles say that Oldham won it.

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Yes, that looks good, GW. I'm planning to look at the columns again soon, the current display is a trade off to allow list3 to be used very flexibly.

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just entitled Super League. But the individual years the league was sponsored by different organisations, the season article for those years (e.g.

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I noticed that you had just put the same link down twice acting as your reference. This is an example of how you might note a citation properly:

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article a couple of months ago. However, as you can see, his name is spelt uncommonly with two "t"'s. Lando09, understandably, created today

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Any idea how to add it, maybe only if navbar=yes is set or similar. I don't know enough about template syntax to do it myself. Thanks,

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Many people have been working hard on getting a new infobox up and running and we would like to have your thoughts on the subject

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Sorry for the lack of feedback provided by WP:RL. Is the new template ready for release yet, or has it already been released?

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Hi, yep I've had a look and made a couple of changes. David Niu is driving me mad being so tight-lipped about everything!

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Hey LL. Great work on the article... and I see the flags are back! Makes the article so much easier to understand. --

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I think it would be best to establish concrete dates of when specific forms of rugby league were played. Something like:

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although I suggest you try GingerWarrior first as he has recently put himself on the assessment list (if I recall) at

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there is therefore no consensus to retain it and it goes. The underlying principles which this icon breaches are

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in the nick of time. Less than 24 hours after you made it, the protected edit request was passed. Well played!

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article. February is the old style, March is the new one. Which do you prefer, and is March good enough?

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on whether to create the pages for the tests between AUS VS NZ (this friday} AND ENG VS FRA (in june)

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instead should be called category:rugby league football players instead of rugby league footballers

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Good page moves, I think. I may have gone through them a while ago and unlinked "Australia", per

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I'd revert it to what it was before and display the full name as the first thing in the article.

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Is there any problem in my changing the purpose of this page, either by making it a redirect to

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Actually, found the solution, it was saints.org.uk's mistake, Saints finished fourth that year.

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If you are using the same source somewhere else in the same article, re-reference like this:

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is if it is a template being transcluded. Thanks again for doing it so quickly. Cheers,

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Can you provide a decent reference for this flag issue one which would allow us to change

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Thank you for sorting that out, Rugby isn't my sport so I hadn't made the connection :-)

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Hi, it's not ready but shouldn't take long - I'll finish it (well, them) this afternoon.

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While all contributions to Knowledge (XXG) are appreciated, content or articles may be

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The Disambiguator's Barnstar is awarded to Wikipedians who are prolific disambiguators.

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is too generic, as it could refer to any sport or any year. Thats why I originally had

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Lunar is right, the article is judged holistically. Having a hypothetical section of

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to the template you're using. If the template has been added straight to a page the

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What do you think? Is this maybe a discussion we should open up on the project page?

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A lot of what appeals me to Knowledge (XXG) is the process of raising articles to

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Hey LL. Since you seem to be our resident rule changes guru, I thought I'd bring

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Item 65 in your Archive (dated October 2012) concerned the proposed deletion of

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If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the

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After looking through precedent GA season articles from WP:FOOTY, and reading

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for sponsorship reasons)" in an article entitled "Super League XV", since the

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Please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Removing

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If you have a problem with the move, let me know and I'll revert it. Thanks!

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page and make sure it is correct as you have previously done before. Thanks

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First of all, my own opinion is to support the retention of flag icons at

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Thanks for the update. Template looks great. I have implemented it on the

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after misspelling his name. I am contacting to find out what to do next?

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Hi. Thanks for improving this. Want to help me with the main article? -

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I think you can try to put it together with the different patterns from

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For all your recent work on rugby league articles and the WikiProject.

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I've added some comments for you to take a look at on the talk page :)

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or something similar and then add a year if there is ever another one?

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Many apologies for rushing this speedy, and well spotted too! Thanks!

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Hey. Just wanted to get your thoughts on the name. I feel the current

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those lower leagues on wikipedia is a bit of a mess anyway right now.

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for very good reasons. Admin or not, he - just like us - deserves

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I'll respond about the article's content on the article talk page.

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is someone adding shanon hegarty to the jacksonville axemen team?

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When reviewing, edits should be accepted if they are not obvious

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no need to remove the old one. It's probably better to keep it.

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Hi Lunar, regarding your reverted changes of the header for the

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http://en.wikipedia.org/Template_talk:Rugbyleaguebox_collapsible

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Better to just list the town followed by which county it is in.

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mags at some point from those seasons to see what is written.

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http://scorpionsrl.blogspot.com/2010/02/3d-images-of-kit.html

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has some pointers on how to make the task easier. Thanks, --

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at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

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at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

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Internationally: (whenever the Northern Union XIII formed)

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will show. Clicking it will open that page for editing.

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Sorry, I don't have any information on an earlier club.

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if you need more info but we have NOT changed our logo

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I'm just letting you know that the same has occurred on

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process can result in deletion without discussion, and

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I mentioned to Jeff about a new project I'm working on

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quality won't compensate for the rest of the article. "

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