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Ravidas" produces 915,000 hits, as against 741,000 for "Guru Ravidass". The number of Google hits is not a reliable guide, but without any evidence that "Guru Ravidass" is significantly more common, and with at least some evidence that "Guru Ravidas" may be, it is better to leave the article where it has been for years, as people are likely to expect it to be there. (Also, there are 179 links to
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of his devotional songs." and "The entire Seer village was gripped in festive fervour witnessing arrival of a number of followers and devotees including women, the area around the temple also turned into a fair site, witnessing the presence of a number of stalls coming up with different kinds of items including garments, books, posters and toys to mark the occasion." (cf.
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Ravidassia was, but I have no knowledge of the subject and as such would not be a good member. I did review you Project page and made a minor edit of removing a circular link that links right back to where you started. Good luck with your project.
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until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.
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you must have warned atleast i thought that i am inviting and you just pursued that i am spamming it so i wasnt knowing this is not allowed. Pls unblock me i will only do it to selected people now and to the very selected only so pls unblock
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Ok, then don't say you weren't warned when you are likely blocked for spamming by another administrator (other than myself) when they notice. Also, I reverted two of your edits that were made to user's userpages and not to their talk pages
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Hello, IS IT RAVIDASSIYA??!! bro.. i just wanted to ask u whether i have to resubmit the "shudra...." article edited by you for review or you will do it yourself or you have done it already...
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1.Guru Ravi "Dass" , Dass is a caste in India so many people have kept their name after it and using Dass as suffix which has double SS rather than single S thats why the page was moved.
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Thanx for the suggestion...but i dont think if someone last edited something before 2006 then they cant edit now so invited lol
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