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the German antecedents for the modern use of the word (e.g. Kant - Herder - von
Humboldt - Bastien). I know some people reject this idea of national traditions (as you point out, Germans can read French and vice versa) but i also see some sense in it. But IF we are going to say a bit about British and German antecedents, then I think it only makes sense to have a couple of paragraphs on French antecedents. I know that anthropologists often cite Rousseau and Durkheim, perhaps because both had totalistic notions of society, and of course both were critics of modernity in different but very close ways (alienation and anomie). I do not mean to open up a can of worms. The section of the article I am talking about currently has only four paragraphs and I am suggesting adding only two more, so this is not about an in-depth discussion of Rousseau and Durkheim (or Compte, I agree he is the critical link - not because Roussaeu would have agreed with him but because I think Durkheim was inluenced by both) or an essay on their relationship. It is about providing a little more historical context for the rest of the article, with links to the related articles (e.g. Rousseau, Compte, Durkheim). I hope it is clear now why I think someone who knows about both would be the right person for the job.
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Kittredge and Harvard represented, was certainly motivated by a desire to be taken seriously as a scholar, although in actual practice he has been accused of falling short. To tell the truth, this happens not infrequently even with scholars who come from more advantaged backgrounds, but Lomax's high profile led to his being raked over the coals with particular venom. Lacking an academic appointment in folklore (there weren't any), he was obliged to make a living by selling books commercially and by chasing after grants from foundations. The fact that he was quite successful at both (especially the latter) appears to have inspired a high degree of professional jealousy -- again something not unheard of even today.
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crossed in order to make the article rock-solid. FWIW - I concur that Time has never been a RS and especially under Luce was a crypto-fascist rag. It's just that I've seen too many good articles derailed by unsourced assertions that eventually get challenged and/or reverted by POV-pushers, esp. from both extremes of the political spectrum - and here I'd fear some neo-McCarthyite bagnging in and ruining the article. Maybe you've seen some of the comments under
Weavers YouTube videos decrying Seeger and the group as red traitors and so on. You and I may well know that Luce was an interventionist Republican pro-business jerk, but the sourcing in the article makes the point incontrovertible.
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Catholic humanism), without being an advocate for any one of them. The relationship between the several definitions of humanism is fascinating and it would be wonderful if it could be even slightly unraveled even in the briefest way. (Since I first looked at the page, I have begun to change my mind about there being no relationship between them.) I even actually agree with OldMan that modern American secular humanism is the most common definition of the term (certainly in the USA) and ought to be given the most weight in the article.
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unfortunately. Still, he may be able to point you in a fruitful direction. He seems to have the titles of good books on the tip of his tongue. Intuitively I would guess that there might be a connection through Kant, who was a self described follower of
Rousseau -- another possible intellectual connection might be the positivism of August Comte, one of the founders of social science, though I don't know if Rousseau would have approved of Comte, I doubt it. I gather you are interested in the history of education? I don't know how much of the German school system was influenced by Kant, if at all, but it seems possible.
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concept to these guys than "culture," but I think their interest in society, the questions they raised, their ways of conceptualizing it, had a real influence on 20th century ways of talking about "culture." I just think two such paragraphs would add necessary balance to this section, and thus add a lot to the article. Well, at least I hope you understand now why I asked. if you know anyone else at WP who might be able to help, please just pass this on to them. Thanks,
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stress that Lomax was the first significant scholar to collect using scholarly criteria, or to attempt (however imperfectly, as his critics allege) to do so, rather than collecting as a mere local historian, hobbyist, or antiquarian. It is important to keep this in mind when putting into perspective some of the rather harsh criticism of his immediate followers in the field that he, above all others, was largely responsible for founding.
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English antecedents for the modern use of the word (e.g. Matthew Arnold and E.B.Tylor) and
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Nice addition to this page of the Digital Library Pop Chronicles link. An editor tried to add it as part of a ref to the Kingston Trio article I've worked on extensively - I tried to give it more prominence as an external link because it's really good stuff and adds to this Revival page I know you
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rules, I intend to request objective assessment from some editors I have worked with on history and music articles. I know you've done extensive work with the real folk music articles. Don't know if you have the time to look at and evaluate it, but I think the article deserves a better fate than
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There is no "usual practice" - some people tag uncited additions, some people revert them. There is a standard warning template for the latter which I used above. Of course, the policy pages keep changing over time, so it's always a bit hard to tell what is "preferred". Essentially, though, your
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Thanks Maunus for your wise advice which I plan to follow to the best of my ability. You are right and I regret having allowed myself to be provoked by what I have experienced as the belligerent tone of some participants on the talk page. I would like to see an article emerge that touches on the
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Yeah, I listened to the whole thing a couple of times so I could try to figure out what it was about and who was saying what. I agree that it is a valuable citation, from, as it were, the horses' mouths. Notice, too, how Time magazine, from the very very beginning was busy fanning the flames of
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Thank you. But if it was you who removed the "unsourced" information, you should really put a "citation needed" notice in the text before undertaking to remove anything from the article. I believe I can source all my info. D.K. Wilgus, though (exaggeratedly critical of Lomax in my opinion) does
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Sorry, I don't know anything at all about Durkheim. But a friend of mine studied social science at U of Toronto (including Durkheim, whose name he mentioned to me in conversation), and when I see him I will ask him and try to get back to you. However, he may not know too much about Rousseau,
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Yes, it amazes me that this term has fallen into the memory hole. But I probably won't get around to making a page for it in the near future -- since I want to read more about how that happened first, and I have a ton of other stuff to read (and write) before I get to that. So it is not that
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