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Are you serious? The info is the same as in the info box. Answer my question. Are you going to delete that too? If my article is wrong so is that. You cant just delete articles which you feel have insufficient citations. I could quote a hundred textbooks which would give the same info. If you can't
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Well what would you do in my place? Seeing unwarranted edits continually been made. References being ignored. Logic being ignored. OR being assumed, even with references. My reporting of you wasn't because I dislike you, I don't even know you. I was concerned at you editing. I only know people from
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rather than pasting comments verbatim or entire passages of articles. It makes it a whole lot easier. Also, this obsession with bolding text is really rather unconventional and not helpful. Threading posts with conventional indenting, normal formatting and diffs will make your positions much
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not me. I don't believe you have any knowledge of languages. You've said it, and all your actions suggest it. If this is true your comments are irrelevant, especially as you give no reasons why you think what you do.
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