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reviewing it I'm sorry to say your block appears to me misguided and heavy handed to me. You treated in exactly the same way someone who reverted 4 times removing sourced material from an article as the person who did so only 3. While I agree that 3RR is not a license to revert three times, blocks of people who have not broken the rule should be exercised carefully, especially when dealing with a long term contributor. At the very least I would have expected you to leave a message explaining politely why you felt a block was in order when he had not broken the 3RR rule rather than leaving him only an automated Twinkle message. I think you could resolved this matter much better and created a lot less ill feeling had you talked to Jeffpw and reminded him that edit warring (even that short of 3RR) should be avoided rather than hitting him with a block, which is an indelible mark on a contributor's record here. There is an element of diplomacy to being a good administrator - those who feel they have been treated unfairly by those with power over them will understanbly feel resentful.
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debate was fragmented, with different polls taking place on different pages, with different formats, etc, so it was hard to tell what exactly people were pronouncing themselves in favor of. However, this in itself I think is a problem. I think there should be a discussion on the talk page of the specific article to see how its active users feel specifically about this move. In that case, if the majority favors the move and only one obstinate user refuses to budge, the move can be made, as indeed consensus does not require unanimity. However, looking at past discussions, multiple users expressed an opposition to moving the
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themselves subject to recall went to similar detail. It is not necessary to adopt the exact same conditions, steps, criteria, etc. It's just helpful to have SOME. Those are mine, fashion yours as you see fit, I would not be so presumptuous as to say mine are right for you. In fact I urge you not to just adopt mine, as I do change them from time to time without notice, but instead develop your own. You are very welcome to start with mine if you so wish, though.
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good has come out of it. I see you've just recently become an admin. Your communication with me on my page shows me you have the necessary qualities to do a good job of it. It is certainly something I would never attempt. I am a good contributer, but don't think I would have the patience to do your job well. So, hats off to you.
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I made some changes to the article called "The Republic of China" to make it more politically neutral. I understand that trying to call Taiwan a country is your poilitical position, but according to the rules of The Knowledge, the articles here should be neutral and impersonal. Most of the countries
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which as you can see he reverted as "trolling", something he has done with such messages from me, and others before. I don't think it's fair to characterize my editing as edit-warring when we are in fact talking about the deletion of sourced material without any real explanation or any willingness to
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I must say I’d find it distressing to see an editor blocked without warning who was staying within the rules and not attempting to game the system, while one who was went off scot free. I really think it sends the wrong message, and encourages folks to use the 3rr board as weapon, as has been done in
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report and an ongoing edit war. If you believe that there is sufficient consensus for a move, then an administrator should probably make the move and make an announcement on the talk page that this is the the decision that closest represents consensus and to urge users not to try to revert the change
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But recent events have suggested that this low structure approach may not be entirely effective. More than one of the recent recalls we have seen have been marred by controversy around what was going to happen, and when. Worse, they were marred by some folk having the perception, rightly or wrongly,
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had used “a punitive measure rather than a preventive measure”. I’ve looked at it, and I can’t see how you’ve come to that conclusion, or why it is that you unblocked Pedro (and please note, I am not asking for you to overturn your unblock). Pedro has been here over a year, and just recently filed a
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had recently added some OR material which, while being a valid assessment, is sourced only to scripture (and therefore can be considered to be unsourced in the manner presented). This isn't pressing, but Juanholanda is endorsing only one viewpoint (as you could probably see, he continues to deny the
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R. friend was in conflict with Domer48 and then R. friend revert to "his version" and blocks Domer48 without warning or an official report or without anything said to any of the editors on "his side". Surely this is not the correct procedure that an admin in conflict with another editor should take.
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When my partner in this incident returns, I will definitely discuss the changes on the talk page further and not engage in any sort of edit warring--not out of fear for blocking, but because these sorts of incidents just lead to stress for everyone, and Knowledge is supposed to be a joy. I will also
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Hi Nat. The problem though is that I don't think it's just a matter of one user against the community. I admit that I am not very familiar with this debate, however I tried to look at various places where this issue was discussed, and I got the impression that no consensus existed. First of all, the
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page, I have given pretty concrete definitions of the criteria for recall, and of the choices I can make, and of the process for the petition, and of the process for other choices I might make (the modified RfC or the RfAr). I think it would be very helpful if other admins who have voluntarily made
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Sometimes I’ve seen people unblocked from a 3rr block with a summary along the lines of “User promised to be good”, but I don’t see him doing that here at all. Oh, in fact, as I’m in the middle of composing this note, I see that Pedro has gone right back to edit-warring on the page, making the same
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The user appear to have comply changed. He has been spending quite a bit of time expanding the article as requested by yourself. He is very civil and thrives on the advise I have given him for improvement for the article. He has placed another unblock request on his talk page. Please could you look
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English and many other languages use various forms of the name "China" and the prefix "Sino-" or "Sin-". These forms are thought to derive from the name of the Qin Dynasty that first unified the country (221–206 BCE). The pronunciation of "Qin" is similar to "Chin", which is considered the possible
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Thank you for the kind message on my talk page. It was unexpected, and certainly welcomed. For my part, this incident is over. Please believe me, though, that I truly thought I had followed policy and had not violated the rules. This was a learning experience for both of us, it seems, so maybe some
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article already, but I think there is some editing that needs to be fixed. First, there is a user that changed "mainland China" to China proper, which as you know, it is a historic term used by western historians, not a substitute for the original term. I think it is best to revert the sentence
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Well IronDuke, you are of course entitled to your opinion, but I respectfully disagree, quite deeply actually. You will notice that the five edits you point to, make modifications in response to the concerns of other editors (as raised in edit summaries, since they never bothered to use the talk
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Actually, Tiamut, I'm not trying to get you blocked, simply pointing out that what you did on the article is clearly, demonstrably more like edit-warring than what Armon was doing. I think the best thing to do would be to unblock Armon, as he violated no rule, and was not warned. If none of that
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Did you read what I wrote? Armon was warned about 3RR a few weeks ago, and self-reverted. So he knows about 3RR. Further warnings about 3RR are a courtesy, not a requirement. Also, Armon has been editing Knowledge since February 2006 and well knows about 3RR since he has been editing contentious
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Hey Nat, just checking to make sure you're not stressed out. It seems like someone was being very impolite to you and your mom. I think you should semi-protect your talk page and perhaps file a checkuser request because I feel that a few editors are behind this from how they word their comments.
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In future I would strongly advise you to make more conservative use of blocks and to consider the feelings of those you choose to block. Again, I think any block of this sort would warrant a person message not a Twinkle notification. I'm going to assume that this incident is an isolated one, and
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I apologise if this message seems impersonal, but with over 130 members in the category, leaving a personal message for each of you might not have been feasible, and I feel this is important enough to violate social norms a bit. I hope that's OK. Thanks for your time and consideration, and best
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and I, and others, first developed this category well over a year ago, we visualized it as a simple idea. A low hassle, low bureaucracy process. We also visualized it as a process that people would come to trust, in fact as a way of increasing trust in those admins who chose to subscribe to the
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Hey, did you lock the Michael Redd page before over an edit war? It is unlocked now, but I ask that you please lock it again. The people are at it again. The one makes the changes that I think are correct, which would be to not have the citations, and he has left his reasoning on the discussion
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My apologies for the mistake with the pronoun. I think your block was a bad call in this case. You would have achieved exactly the same in this case by leaving Jeffpw a talkpage message reminding him of the need to avoid edit warring in general. I do not like receiving correspondence from good
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I would like to know on what basis you blocked this editor? Edit warring is bad but blocks should be used as a last resort. Editors subject to them (especially in cases such as these where no warning was given first) are usually offended and it can result in us losing valuable contributors. On
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engage in discussion to come to some sort of consensus (i.e. vandalism and disruptive editing). So please don't make equivalencies between my behaviour and that of Timeshifter's (who made no reverts and used the talkpage extensively) vs that of Tewfik and Armon. There really is no comparison.
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But do something. If you have not already, I urge you to make your process more concrete, now, while there is no pressure and you can think clearly about what you want. Do it now rather than later, during a recall when folk may not react well to perceived changes in process or commitment.
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Do you have to do these things? Not at all. These are suggestions from me, and me alone, and are entirely up to you to embrace or ignore. I just think that doing this now, thinking now, documenting now, will save you trouble later, if you should for whatever reason happen to be recalled.
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Domer48 should be unblocked, R. friend should have a sever wrap across the knuckles and then if needed an official report should be filed to determine if any blocks are warranted. I hope you have time to look at this situation with a fresh pair of eyes as it seems pretty unjust to me.
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and try to build a consensus for the position that Canada should be somehow exempted from using the same templates as other countries even though there's nothing about the Canadian electoral context that would actually require an entirely different infobox format. But you don't have a
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Nat, I’m a bit confused. You seem to have blocked Armon for only three reverts, without warning him to lay of the article first, which I think would be only fair. On top of this, even if Armon were edit-warring, surely there was someone helping him out by reverting/edit warring-with
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Thanks. I assume anything we find on Wiki is ok to use on Wiki given the licensing. I thought you had something pretty cool, especially the links to the statistics. I'm still not sure how it all works. The bottom three icons are a mystery to me. Thanks again for fixing it.
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Hi. You offered him a conditional unblock. Since then I have been in discussion with this user, mainly on his talk page. I wondered if you could come and leave a message clarifying some things. The user appears to think that as he has moved house, he is allowed to create a
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Then the appropriate response is to raise your concerns on the talk page of the standard infobox and see if they can be integrated into a design improvement of some sort, because the issues you raised are in no way unique to Canadian elections and hence don't justify any
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and if they wish to bring up later if they want to try to reach consensus for an alternative. Leaving the article in limbo, when one side thinks consensus exists and the other does not is probably the worst alternative as it is a sure recipe for an edit war.
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I got it to load. We have conflicting reports. One link says "university status" another says "university college status." I suggest we take this discussion to the List of Uni in Canada talk page so we can invite others to talk about it with us.
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doesn't reflect your general approach to making blocks, as such I consider this matter closed. Though I think it would be a good idea for you to apologise to Jeffpw for not seeking a more diplomatic route to making your point about edit warring.
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that the admin being recalled was trying to change the rules, avoid the process, or in other ways somehow go back on their word. This is bad. It's bad for you the admin, bad for the trust in the process, and bad for the community as a whole.
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meet, not any random time that an individual editor dislikes the standard appearance for aesthetic reasons. (And no, the number of small parties contesting Canadian elections is not a unique need — UK elections make us look like
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I wouldn’t even bother you with this, but I’m concerned that in the area of Israel/Palestine edits, both sides need to be treated equally, otherwise it just ratchets up the tension. Thanks for your attention.
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contributors stressed and upset by heavy handed admin action. I also think you were disproportionate in your sanctions of the two editors concerned. Your assumption of "baiting" is in my opinion a failure to
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page, and although Thor was the most vocal, among those in favor of the move, also only two users actively pushed for the move. But as I've said, I only looked at this debate today, and I might be wrong.
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is not the way to deal with an editor upset about the fact you have blocked him. The idea that you are unconcerned with editors leaving the project as a result your decision to block them is astounding.
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Noting that you had blocked him for civility issues arising out of edit-warring, I thought maybe you might want to take a gander at some rather uncivil statements made in both article edit summaries (
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Thank you for your questions in my currently on-going RfA. I would like to inform you that I have indeed answered your questions and would be happy to see what you think to my responses. Thanks,
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of a committed editor. I cannot see how you thought this block would in anyway make Knowledge a better place, unless you think Jeffpw wanting to cease contributing to this project would do so.
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page). You will also note that I twice invited both Armon and Tewfik to discuss what their specific concerns with the material was, and that they failed to respond substantively. I even left
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Could you please change the main article's featured article image to Image:Tikse monastery.jpg since this image is clearer, less blurry, more appealing and shows the same subject. Thanks.
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Second, the "etymology" section has too many unreferenced and newly added materials added by user Aranherunar, I think it would be best to revert to the original version as well (below).
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as a resource for the benefit of all. If you use someone else's by reference rather than copy, I suggest you might want to do as Cacharoth did, and give a link to a specific version.
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matters, my question is why is the person edit-warring with him, (who herself has a history of blocks for 3rr violations and edit-warring) not blocked? I think it's a fair question.
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The user that you unblocked for a username change did not follow the instructions on changing their username properly. Instead, they created a new user account for themselves, (see
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I reverted your edits in regards to this organization. It's not a full University, and thus doesn't qualify for inclusion where you've tried to place it. That's why places likes
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If you have uploaded other unlicensed media, please check whether they're used in any articles or not. You can find a list of 'image' pages you have edited by clicking on the "
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Further, I suggest that after you document your process, that you give a reference to it for the benefit of other admins who may want to see what others have done. List it in
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Well, I have to eat my words this form seemed pretty easy to fill in, now I only hope there's enough evidence, not sure that using a proxy is enough proof... --
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notion of recall. The very informal approach to who is qualified to recall, what happens during it, and the process in general were all part of that approach.
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if you think that that will be useful. However, please note that media for which a replacement could be created are not acceptable for use on Knowledge (see
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I can't access that article. You should know that a site that requires registration isn't acceptable as a source. You're an admin. You should know better.
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To be honest I did have doubts after making the block. We do allow editors to do whatever they like in the sandbox, but it seems to me that the editor was
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I'm becoming increasingly concerned about the way you are handling this - "If you feel the need to review your participation on Knowledge, so be it."
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Wishing you and yours the very best of the holiday season. May the coming year bring you peace, joy, health and happiness. God bless us, every one!
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cover properly, like Australia with its 2PP issues. We can't refuse to use them just because three or four Canadian editors dislike the way they
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Actually I'll take that back, you might have been too involved to make the move. I made it myself and will explain my decision on the talk page.
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how did you do that thing to the pics on the land camera article? I added two pre-uploaded SX-70 photos and want them in those little frames...
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I note also that Tiamut has been blocked three times on related topics for violating 3rr, and once for edit warring, as recently as September,
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I think a way to address this issue is to increase the predictability of the process in advance. I have tried to do that for myself. In my
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page being lumped with the other 'Commonwealth realm' pages; as though he felt it was a sneaky way of making the 16 monarchies appear as
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has left me a message saying "User:Nat is just a piece of shit, ignore him." I thought you might like to know, as I consider this a
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OK, thanks, I guess I will familiarize myself with that checkuser form... man... why all Knowledge forms are a pain in the butt? --
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board. The other one keeps reverting edits without reading the rationale in the discussions. I was hoping you could look into this.
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why'd you delete A City Warning? They meet WP:BAND. They have a RECORDING CONTRACT therefore they are notable. Afd if you must.
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I have just had a look at this situation and I have to say that I am amazed at the stance to you have taken with regards to this.
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The individual was warned after the fact, as this is the case, I am assuming that he/she did not know about 3RR before. Therefore
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Ok, as I said, this is not an issue I am very interested in or am very familiar with. I only intervened while responding to a
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election articles, and "this information is already present in the article" is not a valid reason to remove it as the whole
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Once again, thank you, and I look forward to interacting with you--in a more positive way--in the future. Yours sincerely,
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has reverted, by my count, five times in 29 hours. This falls under the category of both edit-warring and system-gaming.
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ambiguity of the word commonly translated as "brother"- a word which, even in English, has several possible meanings.--
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I temp full protected your page due to the mass amount of attacks. Feel free to put it back to normal when you want.
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to provide a quick overview summary of the article's content. If you don't like it, you're perfectly welcome to go to
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Please know that I’m not trying to antagonize you in any way, but I am concerned about your recent lifting of the
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Heay Nat, do you know who I'm? Guess, one of your neighbors... Seems you got lots of enemies here, good luck man.
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How can I check a sockpuppet without having to make a complicated checkuser case? For example in this instance
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the user on his talk page about his concerns and I see no valid reason to unprotect the page, especially when
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2) another editor reverts my edit. (that editor had not made any edits to the page in several days)
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Happy Holidays too! (I reverted to anther version your talk page I didn't know you are online) --
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We can't step outside of Knowledge's standardization efforts because of personal preferences. We
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The brief part I did read said "university college status" meaning... NOT A FULL UNIVERSITY.
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That doesn't matter. It's a purely religious institution and has the name "College" as well.
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Thanks. A if he hadn't put the helpme tags on his page, probably would have not noticed ;)
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Also, that header of your's makes it next to impossible to do proper rollbacks and such.
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I am leaving you this message because recent events have given me concern. When Aaron
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the alternative Canadian elections template, and are consequently having a bit of an
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articles on Knowledge. We create distinct templates for Canadian topics when we have
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Hello- thank you for protecting the page. However, you've done so on a bad version-
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Hey Nat: Did you get my last message? I'd appreciate it if you could respond to it.
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I see. Sorry for not informing you. If you see fit to protect it again, please do.
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is not readily apparent. Could you point out the dispute in question? Thanks. --
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I mean this in the nicest, best possible good faith way. The page wouldn't load.
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1) If I edit text (not an undo) that had been stable for days, on a page and
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Universities is clouding your judgment. You cannot turn a rabbit into a hen.
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article back to older version as well, before the vandalism by the likes of
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I tend to agree Nat, Tharky seemed to mainly be upset with the idea of the
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Page protection for that article is problematic. As you can see from the
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Since you protected the page, I thought you should be aware that I have
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articles for a long time. Also, quoting you from a comment higher up; "
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Granting a degree != University. Ontario Colleges too award degrees.
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User talk:Nat
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British monarchy
TSO1D
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04:40, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
3RR
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15:31, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
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15:36, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
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15:48, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
GoodDay
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16:17, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
WP:CWNB
Bearcat
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01:44, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
Ontario general election, 2007
ownership
Bearcat
18:24, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
Bearcat
22:44, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

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