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was my way to say:"Where have you been? IĀ“ve missed you and I could use your help." . Hey, IĀ“mĀ :-( about what youĀ“ve said... It has been very hard for me to gather all the info I need. My league is sh**ty, not like your glorius SerieA. IĀ“m having real trouble to find information... In all this period, with the exeption of the 76 untill 90/91, I didnĀ“t even get the league statistics of the other recent seasons!!! IĀ“m completely dark about the 90Ā“s, and with the exeption of BSK squads(and only from winning seasons, 7 in 17 or 18), I canĀ“t find almost any data about other clubs from the early period!!! It looks that my list is the only one existing in the world about it. I also had to change my introduction many times, so the lists would be right. But if you see, what says there is right with the content of the list. Of course I may be missing some years and many players, and some players didnĀ“t had league matches, but I canĀ“t know untill I donĀ“t find the seasons stats. ThatĀ“s wy IĀ“ve changed my introduction. When you have time, IĀ“ll apreciate a lot if you can tell me your opinion, and what you dislike. That canĀ“t be "dangerous", I supose... Other, much more important thing: did anything happend to your girlfriend? Is she OK? You left me warring... I was serious about Mexico. I was very young, but I was in 6th flour looking to big (American style) bildings falling to dust! My bilding was only brocken in one side... That was the main reason wy me and my family came back to Europe back then. Well, I hope everything is OK, and give me news if you can. Forza Italia!!!
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because the Soviet
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Zhemchuzhyna, and many others. Everybody were subjected to become
Russians eventually. When the Russian Empire fell that practice was a little eased in favor of the regions of the Soviet Union. However, look at the surname Shevchenko. It does not get any Ukrainian than is. Writing his name as Andrei again is not a big of a deal, but simply when you pronounce it, it sounds more of Russian than Ukrainian. To understand the whole thing one needs to go far into folklore studying which is not a favorite subject out there for most. From that and the history of law development in Ukraine you will see what is the whole
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Hi~ Let's discusss it. I think my edit is resonable. Old edit by just nations is very dumb. We can use category edit and give more information to many football fans. Many football fans want to know how many players from where region. I hope if you agree my suggestion. Anyway I really thank you for
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Russian, and to re-educate oneself contains not a sense, nor a time. Odessa, however, for me is my favorite city, I have here all the relatives, parents, friends, relatives, this is why I come here every year, at
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FIFA has different birth dates. This this the FIFA profile for the World Cup
Gallagher and for the 1928 Olympic Gallagher. Add in the different teams and it appears they are two different players. Also, there were five Gallaghers in the American Soccer League during this era. We know the first
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Hey, another thing. IĀ“m reading about a football book called "Tutte Palle" written by an italian journalist Massimo M.Veronese. I see thatĀ“s lot of fun. IĀ“m thinking to ask some of my friends from Rome to see if there is an english or spanish version and to send it to me. Have you herd about that
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DonĀ“t warry. He has been part of the main team in some recent matches, so I wouldnĀ“t be surprised if he really plays one of these days. I touth maybe they played some friendly or something these days... All the best for Italy on S.Africa!
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