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fact, it makes it much more complex. Any changes to either template may interact with the other one in unexpected ways, a problem that we do not have now. By creating a third template, your former town template, we now have an additional template that must be kept up and maintained. Basically what we have now is 1 template that can updated and problems are easy to detect. If a municipality becomes a former municipality, it is easily changed in the current infobox. If you'd like to add the "Former municipality" banner, which I think looks quite nice, that could be easily added to the current template. If that can't be done under
Infobox Settlement, that would be another argument to not be forced into a Wrapper+Infobox Settlement. Under your proposal, we'd have a global template and several wrappers, all of which would have to be updated and which would make catching problems much more difficult. This is an attempt to solve a problem that doesn't exist with more layers and more complexity. As for you resenting my comment, I apologize if you were offended, but based on what I see here on the talk page and the large scale, unilateral changes that you seem to make, I suspected that was what was going on.
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more unwieldy. I suggested that you add the banner to the infobox (again mentioned above) to avoid having two templates which will diverge over time. Since there was no interest on your end in compromise, I added the banner to the current template. Which you then
Opposed as redundant in what I feel was a disingenuous claim that it was redundant. I agree that we should take this to the community, since it is clear that discussing this here is pretty much pointless.
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Thanks I will. I see you are opposing my changes that I'm trying to make to the template, just because the changes make the template YOU created obsolete, so glass houses and rocks and all that. It took me about half an hour to change the template to do what you think requires an extra template. I
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template was new at some point. How are things more complex for you, when you use the new 'former town' template? Let me know and I will improve it. By the way, I'm not trying to 'backdoor' anyone, and I strongly resent your accusation. I didn't even vote in the deletion discussion, using a different
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I see you have changed the infobox. We have had several discussions about colour (and picture, and logos) over the years. The general consensus have been to keep a green frame, in order to match the {Palestinian Arab villages depopulated during the 1948 Palestine War} at the bottom of the page. Also:
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I resent your claims that I'm trying to sneakily change it back to my pet version. I think I've been very clear about what I'm wanting to do and what I intend. I see your "pet version" as redundant and unnecessary (points I've made above). With a wrapper and a template, your version is larger and
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I'm well aware of the discussion about creating a wrapper for infobox settlement. I was firmly against it because the wrapper was at least as complex as the current infobox and shouldn't be replaced unless there was a clear benefit beyond "I like it better". By splitting it into 2 templates you're
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Where is the discussion where it was decided to orphan this template? If there is no consensus for this, then please stop right now. It took me a full day to clean up after you orphaned the
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There are dozens if not hundreds of wrappers based on IS, and there was never an issue with any of them. Just the fact that no one ever considers going back to hundreds of separate templates for every country is telling. From looking the history of the Swiss town template, I see that it's largely
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I understand that you felt that way, and you may be right. But I dont see how that is the case, and you havent told me why you feel that way. I dont doubt your good faith, which is why I have not (yet) reverted your changes. Id like to understand why you made them. Are you willing to tell me why?
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My issue with this wrapper based template is that it is change simply for the sake of change. The wrapper is basically as complex as the current template. Then you stack that on top of another template and you now have 2 different templates doing the job of one. It won't simplify anything, in
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Whats going on is several of us have these articles (and the template) watchlisted and saw your edits. You have not really responded to my question, instead you gave a vague non-answer about this one is better. Could you explain for me what about this new template can be improved on in ways the
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I have spent the better part of yesterday to change this template because obviously I believed it would be an improvement over the previous version, revert my changes if you feel that you must, but of course if you choose do to that that you would make all my efforts
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you want to add a banner (like you have with the
Infobox Swiss town former), then edit the Infobox Swiss town sandbox to create the banner when | municipality_type = former. Please don't just create a new template and apply it in a bot like manner. Thanks
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You can now use all the fields of the old template as well as add new informations without having to update the template beforehand, and the template remains visually very similar to the old one. I hope this is enough to answer your question...! Cheers,
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making things more complex for absolutely no benefit. The discussion to delete infobox Swiss Town was inconclusive and unless the WikiProject wants to make a change to
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Okay, it looks like you only orphaned it on two pages, probably due to problems with the population field. I will see if I can sort that out. However, please don't orphan it without taking it to TFD first. Thanks!
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green is a colour which is associated with Islam, and almost all of these villages were mainly Muslim. So, could you please change it back to green? Cheers,
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