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Nyvtemana55. I understand that wiki accounts by definition are individual, not group. Competing interests: None. I know the intern, and responded to her desire to initiate a basic article footprint - more than a stub, but there to be enhanced and finished by her and anyone else that had unique information to share. Editing for pay: why would anybody consider paying a novice to write a wiki article? No hire or payment arrangement exists. This has certainly been an entertaining way to learn the five pillars of wiki. Between yourself and James Allison I have had all desire to be involved in wiki completely quenched. Like a huge number of internet users, I have valued wiki for many years as a reliable source of information. This valuation has always triggered a desire to financially support wiki whenever they've asked each year. I imagined it to be a temple of knowledge without bounds or precedent, a virtual encyclopedic library not much more than a decade old which has dwarfed all other current or ancient libraries, yet it's entirety is available to every human at the touch of a keyboard. I had felt excitement at the first tiny steps I took inside it's vast halls - that geeky feeling first felt in the early eighties whilst constructing my first computer with a soldering iron, or writing my first html pages in the early nineties. My first attempt at writing an article stupidly included a tying error in the title (South Seas, rather than South Sea). Rather fundamental, even for a novice. That draft attempt went further wrong when I tried to correct the title spelling by copying the page content into another article title with the correct spelling - this somehow removed the draft status... Novice issue again. The article stub was inspected and passed as barely-notable and needing work. I was uncomfortable with it's published status, so I hurried to comply with fixing its orphan status, by linking it to three websites, two of which were lists (Cooranbong and City of Lake Macquarie) and the third, the nearby and formerly associated Avondale College. The last was very silly in hindsight, as I had not the right to edit there without proper historical references. This last edit incurred the righteous wrath of James Allison. I don't blame him for doing his job efficiently, but wish he could have helped me a little as a novice, rather than treating me as a nasty computer virus. But all is good now. I'm unlikely to ever sully the under-halls of the wiki editor's dimension. The silent footsteps of the softly spoken venerable shepherds of knowledge have revealed themselves by their hobnails. The vision of their dedicated wiki hands, sorting through thousands of random pages, searching for anything unique, anything that without their care and nurturing would fade away forever, has faded for me. Sharks now cruise through the halls, boys playing a game of pride and revenge; boys who think little of finding a unique tiny new book with a non-notable (to them, by their standards and interpretations) unknown audience, and burning it. Please communicate with Rose Power in future - I have only caused her museum and team grief by my mistakes, for which I am sorry.
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