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Spideog. What were you before you were a robin?! I have been only fleetingly engaged with Wiki for the past many years but was somewhat shocked that someone of the history and pedigree of BHG could be banned. As someone who was blocked/banned several times back in the heady days of nearly 20
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Ireland is not the name of the country; it is inconsistent to pipe two
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