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917:- at some point Annett's people/followers start raising Cain, or calling the author that anyway; they' come at me about my not (supposedly) knowing about the all-powerful 4th World Movement yata yata and I came back with "but this guy's not even status", basically; didn't give the details you did....anyway hope you don't mind I spilled a few beans, it's towards the verry bottom of the comment,s but the easiest way to find me is to use "find on pag" for the same username as here/ Skookum1 / although you may find the whole comments forum interesting, including the ravings form Annett's crowd....I don't read it close, it all sounds like cultish stuff to me, especially when they go on about his saintliness...anyway, apprently they get into talking about aliens and Masons, too....no doubt I'm going to be accused of appropriating native culture by my choise of usernames (skookum1, tamanassman) but I'm ready for that ;-). Anyway I'll go see what they've saidsinced and will hold back; don't forget you don't have to give family details like some ou've mentioned, iel the thing with your mother or your great great grandmother etc; ie other wiswe identity yourself; it's why we all have usernames there... it would just be good to have a Skwxwu7mesh perspective on "Te Kapilano", Annett and whta you think of the Lakota and Anishinabe who have cme to help the Skwxwu78mesh pronoucne 1795:
to the uneducated eye of the British artist who made them, but those guys are often quite photographic in their abilities, and now I might say that the drawing is a perhaps fairly close rendition of Coast Salish styles; my younger eye had wanted to see something like what might be found in Alert Bay; I'll see if I can find the pic, it's fairly common in books on early BC....as for taken-in-the-museum pics it can depend on what's being photographed; I'll forward you what I got back from the Vancouver Museum, which I haven't repleid to yet, where she cites "cultural sensitivity" about releasing photos of grave figures, but did invigte me (or someone) to come in and photograph things. each museum will have different policies, but I think if you cite your credentials - your art scholarship/apprenticeship and your work for Skwxwu7mesh history/culture in Wiki and elsewhere. So better to ask; and the way you ask could get you a lot more freedom to take pics of some things that non-indiengeous people might not be granted the same rights to do....with museums, protocol is always a big deal, especially with native culture; so pull rank/descent on 'em, they'll probably listen. ;-) You should definitely trip out to
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with the St'at'imc and certain otehr groups; otehrs are much more forthcoming and wanting to be known about; the Musequem state straight out they want to keep their culture secret; I'll forward you a reply from the Vancouve Museum I had about pics of certain things I thought might be in their colllection; they say that their own photoghraphs cannot be public domain because of "cultural sensitivity issues" - the very secretism that, to me, endangers the survival of cultures, and certainly, inevitably, incrases ignorance and supposition about them. Musqueam politics are also infamously in-fought, like the Tsawwassen also, and that control you're talking about sounds like keeping the otehr half of the community silenced (which is how it comes across in media reports about all this). In fact, on their current page, they state outright that their own system of authority was broken down by the white man's order, i.e. the caste system if you read between the lines;
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like the new "Sḵwx̱wú7mesh" version better - to me that doesnt' look as good but maybe it's because I'm on MacOS/Camino - you seemed to really like it when the X_ showed up int he main article change; mabye it looks different in Internet Explorer? There may have been useful information in TMiQ's edits, but I undid them wholesale and if there's anything worthwhile in there please add it back in; as i said in one of my edits if he hadnt' gone and deleted valid material his own valid material, if it's valid, would not have been deleted/undone. If his translations and transcriptions of Skwxwu7mesh language are beter, by all means restore them; I really took umbrage with his decision as t o what thet "correct" English/anglicized names were, which is
977:, although there've been controversies among the forum membership about editorial censorship befrore, but in this case Harriet Nahannee weighs in (there's a younger one, right? i.e living) and then Annett himself, with all kidns of charges about Nahannee being an RCMP plottist.....the editor always has to watch rfor legal liabilities; the forums get edited all the time. This one got dangerous; as you'll have noted in my email I mentioned the lack of a proper acquisition/earning/bestowing of the name, no potlatch etc; very curious they'd leave that out, as if (ironically) the real tradition was the suspect one....Anyway all amusing/disturbing. 612:? I don't mean to drag you into this, I just want to know who this guy is/claims to be; and as you can guess I hate the kind of vengeful rhetoric going on; Terry Glavin also happens to be a friend of mine, and is a consistent writer on native human rights and cultural history, and has lived among hte Katzie and worked close with the Tslihqot'in and others. Calling him a racist just stinks, but it's typical of the invective that gets levelled against people when they don't conform to "fundamentalist" ideas (of whatever stripe).; this kind of rhetoric is hardly the path to "truth and reconciliation".... 228:. It would be great to encourage him to take a regular role in Knowledge on Haida subjects the way you've come to be for South/Central Coast peoples. Just figure might be best to have the outreach done by someone who went through the ropes learning Knowledge style/content guidelines who's also come from a FN background, i.e. someone he can relate to so he's not frustrated by all us white folks mucking about in his people's articles.... Saw your edit a little while ago about feeling like a slave, I feel the same way again, still haven't gotten to articles I 1349:"official line"....it's like that complaint from the In-SHUCK-ch consuultants I got taht I didn't have a right to know or talk about their history unless I let the elders censor me en route....fine in their culture, not fine in mine. Anyway back to the ethno'people splits; I'll look up correct spellings for Kway-quiht-lam and others (I don't think that's proper Halkomelem, maybe it is; to me it's just another thing like Cayoose/Kiy-oose where an already-native word/name present in English has to be made to look more alienc to "authenticate" it. 31: 2041:
Bay; pictures of students and such from thte days of operating missions won't often jibe with local peoples at this location. This looks rather like the Shalalth otufit, in fact, although I haven't seen a picture of hte latter in its old-time duds for many years; maybe they were visiting North VAn. The use of "Siwash Indians" as a collective term for BC indigenous peoples was very common; there was even a
1527:, which I know is in BC Archives somewhere; used to haev it on my HD but wound up accidentally deleting a whole whack of pics a couple of years ago...while preparing to back them up....I also wrote the Vancovuer Museum trying to find those graveyard figures from thte Fraser Canyon I mentioned, they can't find them, so will continue digging. The Comox graveyard totems are great stuff, doncha think? 257: 2292:
orchard-trees (where the Lost Lagoon boathouse is now, plus the grassy/treed area towards English Bay from it). Coal Harbour, i.e .the area of the Bayshore Inn etc today, was a squatter settlement in the 1880s; do your people have a tradition of there being a village there? BTW could you get the proper Skwxwu7mesh snichim for "Lucklucky", the usual transcription of the indigenous placename for
1256:.....I remember recently, or sort of recently, you'd said some things about where they came from, who they were etc in relation to Skwxwu7mesh history/relationships but am not sure on which of our many talkpages that was on; or I'd pen up a quick stub to "fill in teh blanks"....I know you're still focussed on Skwxwu7mesh and Kwakwaka'wakw articles but if you could come up with a 814:, or you'[re welcome to do it yourself; that he's never had a potlatch and comes from a "sold-out" family makes it all the more ripe; "ripe" in the British comic sense and also the rotten-fruit kind (where the British sense comes from); "too rich" like an over-icinged and cream-stuffed cake, huh? At least let me quote you as an "anonymous Skwxwu7mesh source)". 1812:, though no pictures or drawings have survived. Also if you go to Xa:ytem make sure to drop by the Mission Museum and the adjoining archives; they may have seomthign worth photographing. Now lessee, I had something else I was going to mention but in the course of writing this it's slipped from my mind...time for more coffee, I guess (I just got up). 1991: 2215:
instead of Matthews....the shell middens there were excavated and crushed to make the pavement for what is now park drive; which was paved not for automobiles, by thew ay, but for bicycles....the story in question mentions that the surveyors were getting cursed out by the remaining inhabitants of the
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because their crown copyright has expired. Another image that's out there somewhere is an old, old painting/etching of the interior of a Sooke or Songhees longhouse, with a particularly roundish-mouth/face design on some of the houseposts. I used to attribute the apparenty clumsiness of the designs
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on the intro page though nowhere else; deeper inside they use IPA, all dressed up as if it were an exotic script; or what looks like IPA anyway. I've seen three or four other renderings of their name, I think including one from you (not the Skwxwu7mesh name for them, but their own). The XwMuthkwium
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Kevin Annett is a twisted man using all of this for his own gain. Another nutball I guess. It's just freaky how many sheep are following him and Te Capilano in their quest for what ever. I do think there are hidden graves. I actually think one of the people Kevin Annet is getting his source about
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In 1906, Joe Capilano was traveling to London, yata yata yata. They gave him the name because they wanted him to have some kind of rank or status, hoping it would help him gain audience with the King. Joe Capilano's son was Mathias Joe. Mathias Joe had Buffilo Mathias, Buffilo had Joe Mathias, Joe
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article, unless you can think of a nicer illustration.....btw if you search "skookum" in BC Archives, x-ref'd with "Swannell" you'll find a picture of his little inland canoe which he journeyed the inland waters with; although the pic is of them shooting rapids with it (with "Skookum" painted on the
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I think the title is "off" a bit and may refer to Brockton Point; I've never heard of a native village on Coal Harbour, or in the area we refer to as Coal Harbour (on the south side of it, in other words). It's not the Kanaka Rancherie, which Iv'e seen pics of and had "nice houses" with gardens and
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article, though not quite to the same title-form as you'd had it; ditto with his changes to the cat, which wound up orphaning the Nahanee, Siwash Rock, Andy Paull and Khahtsahlano and other articles; I also changed back his changes to Esla7an etc. I think the cat name should change back, unless you
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yet (however they spell that...) so I can do those, at least as starters; but I don't want to tread on Skwxwu7mesh toes by venturing the Tsleil-waututh one....also btw for your Skwxwu7mesh article there's some bit of HBC log about the first dealings with the Skwxwu7mesh on Howe Sound, cant' remember
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Yeah, those are pretty big. We call them longhouses. Coast Salish say longhouses, northerners call them bighouses, although they can be inter-changeable in the south. Not inter-changeable up north. Northern, aren't...really "long". bighouses. It's a neat picture. I think some of the longhouses
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Ditto, pretty much. As mentioned somewhere else, there's old-old fur trade era sketches of a Songhees longhouse and some descriptions from that era; you might want to look into Helmcken's writings, come to think of it, and there must be something in the Ft Langley journals on the Kwantlen villages
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or whatever was already on the Thunderbird page; my mistake; the actual Kwak'wala names for the Thunderbird should be here, though, plus any others we can find out about. On the Emily Carr site I think it was either the Blunden Harbour or 'Yalis pages that had a story about an ancestor-thunderbird
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Oh, now I remember (right after saying I didn't) - either in Howay & Scholefield's book, which I've been reading online, or - oh yeah, in a pdf on the Kwakiutl which is easiest to just send to you (linked somewhere) details of teh Euclataws conqeust of Quadra island are given; much later than I
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yeah, I did, especially the big standing statue in the first link. As for Comox, I'm aware of the "mixture" you're talking about, and it strikes me from what I've heard that upper Georgia Strait peoples (including yours and the Shishalh) are more connected/influenced by what's farther up-coast, as
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Hope you liked those photographs. None of them can obviously be released to Creative Commons, but I do want to take my own photographs of the Skwxwu7mesh Spindle whorl when I'm in Seattle. What's the protocal on that kind of stuff. Do I have to ask the Musuem to be able to release it to Creative
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could possibly be; but I hope in the course of your life you fight for cultural oppennes and education and that "publish or perish" ethic I mentioned above somewhere; keeping a culture sealed up is one sure way to keep anyone else from knowing or caring anything about it (except as "told to" by the
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and as elsewhere; much of the content on the existing band page can/should be migrated to the ethno page once it's made; most band pages as you nkow are virtually stubs, it's to the ethno articles that count, or should. I'm well aware of the conservatism you're talkign about, I find the same thing
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which goes into the epidemics and populatino changes in great detail and he also challengeds the usual low-numbers of whiteman history....the influenza epidemic of hte 1830s was known elsewhere as "the mortality" and I don't think it was ordinary influencza; I remember a reference to a "hemorrhagic
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as I'm totally confused now; wanted to start doing Royal Navy/HBC history bits in the Queen Charlotte Strait, including the shelling of Newitty (whichever it was...) and also Fort Rupert; the latter is a big article because of teh HBC history there adn the coal strike and so on.....guess I'll wait,
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In addition, on March 16, 2008, Reverend Annett was appointed as the personal agent of hereditary Squamish Chief Kiapilano, on whose land Mr. Glavin lives and The Tyee is published. We therefore consider Terry Glavin and The Tyee to have violated their occupancy of Chief Kiapilano's land, and Chief
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When you're in downtown Vancouver sometime, go by MacLeod's Books at Richards & Pender and ask for Don Stewart, tell him I sent you, and tell him what you're looking for; he may know of stuff in his FN collection that I haven't heard of. He'll let you browse/read for hours and take notes, but
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and out-of-tune cornets has never quite left me, adn the white buckskin outfits were amazing.....the thing about the Mosquito Creeek Misson/ustlawn is that it probably had students from other tribes, which was teh case of course at St. Mary's and as we've discussedbefvore at St. Michael's in Alert
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as you may remember....that Chilliwack area freaks me out, though; older groupings are now gone, or renamed, all are Chilliwacks/Chillhiwhyeuk and I think the "ethnic groups" and the bands/reserves all overlap or have been so blurred over time that we really need someone frmo up tht way to sort it
1216:. Mostly carving, drawing, design, etc. I really like my mentor (who's my brother-in-law). He doesn't do work for the market, but just for cultural and community use. So I'm happy about that. But the money helps me buy tools, research funds, etc. I'll send you some of my work when their done. 1203:
Hey Skookum! I have been quite busy. Busy working as a graphic designer. Took on two jobs, when I probably should of taken on one. But when you need/want the money, what can you do. So that's been keeping me busy, and probably will till the end of the month. Then early next month, I'm doing a
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wouldn't) that "Turtle Island" is part of traditional Skwxwu7mesh ideas or that the "traditional Land Law Jurisdiction of Turtle Island" has anything at all to do with traditional culture/law. Anyway the "presiding elder" apparently is presiding over a "genocide tribunal" - a tribunal convened by
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I've tinkered with this a bit, it's still pretty sloppy. You're from up there, or connected up there; any chance you could gussy this up (over time, no rush). Have a look through its recent history and on the talkpage about the Alert Bay NWT, which I still haven't been able to find any other ref
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and its talkpage; I took a "Native American" ref out of the lead but damn, does it ever need reworkign/splitting; so I went to BC ARchives again just now and searched "war canoe" and also "canoe race" and found some good pics; including some from Alert Bay "to mark the Coronation" in 1937 (QEII's
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estimation they're all "mistakes" anyway. Whatever, I just decided to go at this as I noticed a few more recent changes by him, without any response at all either to your advice/comments or to mine. Fine, "be that way". I suspect a POV fork is at work; why else would he NOT change the cat name
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which is from the Pitt and so most likely Katzie in origin (the Katzie are teh forebvears of teh kwayquitlums and Kwantlens, or so their story goes...). Kinda Mexican lookin' no? Doesn't say if it's been dated, and how it got in the Kamloops Museum is hard to say....semi-dated to 1960s so let's
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etc. I wouldn't know the full list but it includes Iona Campgnolo and (gasp) Gordon Campbell and Mike Harcourt. Oh, and Svend, of course, but many others over time; each otheri articles we should make suer has their aboriginal names ;-) Don't know if there are any honorary Skwxwu7mesh, but I'd
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I'm not sure I've got it on the hard drives I have with me, or if it's on CD back in BC, but I'll see if I can dig out that collection of old rez school pics of my Mom's; there's one with a student parade between the two totem poles out front, plus other more casual shots, and some building shots
1688:- This is a welcome figure/house post that my carving teacher did a few years ago. It's up in the bush in the Elaho Valley. It's one of four figures who depict a society of women who used to steward the lands. Kind of, men defended the people, women looked over the land. It's a nice carving. 1371:
btw someone added a slew of cite templates to the current Musqueam page, most to do with August Jack info I'd put in there; anything you can ref/cite please do so, on whichver page taht stuff winds up on. The bit about him choosing Senakw instead of living either at Capilano/Mosquito Creek or
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thing, I'm not sure what he's getting at there. I'm assuming he got his spelling of the name from Conversations with Khatsalano or one of the ethnographers/anthropologists who worked with my people. It may of been Kuipers or Barnett. I cannot remember. Anyways, if he's trying to get at
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I think I've decided my commitment will be to work heavily on one section a week. This is for almost all article. In some cases, it'll be stubbing, or expanding, or something. But I think if I don't do it this way, I'll feel overwhelmed, then never get anything done. Coming next week?
732:. He does not have the respect of any of our people. Frak, non of my people even know who he is. Seriously. What anyone is learning about him, comes from the media. I only met learned of him because he was trying to use my grandmother a few years ago. I've never personally met him. 667:
was also his chieftain name. This is coming from the Squamish side. Lahwa was from his Skwxwu7mesh wife. He also had another daughter who married Chief Tom. Anyways, in Conversations, Aytak and August Jack both say the word/name "Capilano" or what it would be in both our languages of
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Wow! I forgot how bad that article is. I'll definietly get on it. Next time I'm up there I'll also take a few snapshots of the town. The longhouse, U'mista, the village from the ferry. Thanks for reminding me. There has to be a ton of information on the internet about the place.
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may turn out to be (AFAIK the Island Comox are subsumed now into the Weywakum, sort of, although maybe hte Qualicums are technically Comox? I'm fuzzy in that area...). One of the 'Yalis pics, I think the one that says "photographic print cut-out etc" may be a great illustration for
948:, then he means "THE Capilano" or at least "THE Chief - Capilano". It's not "proper", I guess you could say, in my language. Like, no one puts words like that before their name. Your theory of tyee might be true too, but it would be the first time I've seen it/heard of it. 672:(sound familar?) is a Musqueam name. Later comes Joe Capilano. Joe Capilano's mother, was Mary Capilano. Mary Capilano was niece to Frank Charlie, Chief Lawhwa, and Chief Tom's wife (I cannot remember her name). Mary Capilano is also my great great great grandmother..lol. 1799:
if you haven't seen it, and I know the curator there will be very welcoming (they have a couple of real big spinldle whorls, too....). If you've never been to Xa:ytem, your visit to "the rock of the si:yam" should be interesting to hear back from on; it's got a lot of
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which I wrote before knowing much about Wiki style and not being as familiar with Kwakwaka'wakw issues aw i am now (thanks to you); the We'kayi link on the template now links to this; it's the spelling the Cape Mudge Band uses, apparently in a different dialect, thoguh
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on their page before. But to be honest, I don't even that is right. I think who ever designed the website or gave them that spelling is more along the lines of "how you pronounce our traditional name." Similar to saying Skwa-Xwoh-Mesh, right? In any case, look at
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is ultra-conservative in their band council dealings. At least Squamish Nation is too big for them to control everything, Musqueam Band Council has to control everything with them. Everything and anything needs approval from the band council. It's freaking crazy.
2211:(first two vols, mostly the first; only those two are published, the other 5 vols are in the Vancouver Archives) as somewhere I read a bit about the demolition of the village during the construction of the Stanley Park Ring Road; it might have been in Alan Morley's 2501:'s self-description; "I can relate", coming from Shalalth and remembering the old road in there; theirs is one of the firsst really unpretentious FN sites I've found; "has the feel of the mountains" in the tone of voice; poked around there as a spinoff of making 2365:
Yikes! I just searched BC Archives for "Kitwancool" and hit the jackpot on a whole bunch of totem pole images, one of which I'll pick to illustrate the village, which apparently is nearly intact and undisturbed today, though the pics are old. But check out
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didnt' have a brother in the Oblates, given all the First Nations brass bands at the various missions; there was one at Shalalth, which survived long after the Oblates had left that mission, and St. Mary's Drum & Bugle Corps was huge; the sound of massed
765:. She worked with him briefly, then he started using her words without permission. Then she openly discredited him and distanced herself when she saw what he was using her for. He now goes around saying their were friends when they were no such thing. 563:
Who could happened to appoint someone "the personal agent of hereditary Squamish Chief Kiapilano"...other than the holder of that name, of course. But is Kiapilano a hereditary CHIEF name, and as we've gotten at before re August Jack/Khahtsahlano "what
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thsee clearly are. What struck me as being Salishan about them, other than the eyes, is the large-mass shapes and bulky, fluid lines, with less detail and ornament than in Kwakwaka'wakw or more northerly styles; you have to admit these don't look like
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real happy if you posted that to Wikimedia Commons and put it on the article page....at first I thought it was Rainer or Baker until I saw The Table in the foreground....what's the Table's Skwxwu7mesh name anyway? It must have one, given what it looks
639:, you'll noticed "Eagle Strong Voice" has graced me with his presence in the comments section. I'm actually just doing research into this Capilano thing and eventually going to publish it all on wikipeida (with citations of course). My main source is 2420:
in attendance, plus the playbill for the day which is also in VPL; not hte kind of place they'd welcome a scanner in (I already searched their online collection, it's not there). I've got to go to the gym just now but would otherwise try and revise
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article used to have something about their Takaya/Wolf racing club but nope, if it was there, it's gone. And let me know which of the Kitwancool pics/totems you like most and I'll strip it and upload it when I get back; I also found a pic there of
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basic "people" stub it would help prevent similar pipings to govt articles when there should be ethno ones; there are hundreds of such instances, no doubt, but certain high-profile ones need doing; I recently found some good online sources for
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but I'd say it definitely needs an article; there's at least lots online about it and Reid's other canoes (google "Bill Reid canoe"), and I still recall that shot from Dominion Day in VAncouver Harbour in 1886 with the war canoe races and the
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with a superscript 'w' (well not quite that spelling but just scribing from memory); known in "English" as the Euclataws of course, sometimes as the Yuculta or Yucultas; I've also seen Lekwiltok which I think is used by the AMNH book,
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shows the Songhees village where the big resort on the Inner Harbour is now.....I've seen other drawings of Songhees, but none giving such a good idea of the scale of the bighouses....or by your definitions, are those longhouses?
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being the key word, a reminder to me that democratic motives are hardly what's bewhind a lot of poiltical stumping in FN-land. Anyway that'as a big discussion and you're much more up close and personal to the reality than this
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maybe; in the Gitxsan and Tsimshian cats just throw hte missionaries and ethno types and linguists right into the cats; we need some kind of separate hierarchy for all FNs, i.e. for people connected to them, but who are not
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shot of Garibaldi; it's too bad it wouldn't look good at 300 px, but otherwise the best illustrative pic of it (esp. as a volcano) I've seen....land-based at least; you've seen Randall & Kat's Flying Photos" no? (google
2438:(s) though I haven't done an article on the latter yet.....suggested line "war canoe races were a popular part of public events in British Columbia until they were banned as a result of the anti-potlatch laws of 1922"..... 1925:. BTW the Kwakiutl page at this site idetnified the Nahwitti dialect as being that of the Tlatlaskwala (sp?); sound right? Nahwittis turn up in early historeis all the time,. it would be good to ahve an article on them. 998:
So looks like Chief Kiapalano has set up his own website. Nothing to legitimize your organization, or in his case, "governmnet" then a website. I posted a blog about the band council corruption with the Olympics
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I was on the run and had to think about it. I wasn't questioning saying something, just wondering if I should say something. I'm too tired to go and try and have a bitch fight, so Skookum1, as my temporarily-
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I seem to recall re Capt. Vancouver's journal that it had a large building/enclosure...the same kind? The artist btw I think is the same guy who did the now-infamous (but well-intended) legislature murals....
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elements, some more northern influences (makes since considering location). The eye's seem Coast Salish, but the shape of the figures is different. I'll upload a few photograph I have from a few places for
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But man O' man, do I hate stressing about money. Dealing with rent stuff and I really dislike being stressed about it. But, I think everything will work out one way or another. I recently got awarded the
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canoe (can't tell how large it is, though). Some of the totem poies you'll find if you search "Kitwancool" are pretty nifty; very distinct in style. Good you should show up just now - go have a look at
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Wow. it only went up this morning and he had to shut the debate down, it was all happening too fast for the moderator to cope with; I already bcc'd you my letter to the editor; this is very unusual at
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page...think I managed to head a few things off at the pass; and we now have people to help us sort out the Oregon-area cultures (i.e. those outside the "Pacific Northwest Coast culture" ecumene)...
1465:. Have to find a few sources for the proper Musqueam spelling. It might be harder to go with the "proper" name for them too because of lack of resources. There is significant source to cite 1283:....(or rather ebola is really a kind of influenza - "a filling up with fluid/blood"...).Anyway back to fixing/sorting cats adn trying to keep various new articles frmo flying out of control ( 939:
is a Squamish Nation band member. His family years ago (The Johnson family) enfranchised. Sometime in the 80's they came back in. I don't think it's related to Bill-C31 though. As for the
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are home-turf articles for me that others have now started....). later, gonna try and discipline my wikitime in the next whiel as I need to be playing more music and writing more songs......
501:, which didn't have "our" cats and templates on them yet; only a stub, have at 'er, I'm sure you've got lots to input into it. You might want to look over Curtis' bio, also, and consider a 2169:"A Stó:lo-Coast Salish historical atlas" by Keith Thor Carlson and Albert Jules McHalsie (the McHalsie's are from a Chilliwack FN, I believe, and pretty reliable). You can try a search at 1786:
in its "pure" state, either; a Salishan take and still more Coast Salish than "of a kind" with Haida/Tsimshianic/Wakashan art styles; "softer" and less formal, too, maybe. The thing with
1723:. That art grant I told you about a few sections above is giving me the funds to work my carving teacher and replicate this spindle whorl. It belonged to my family before it was sold. 491:
maybe useful for illustrating 'Umista as a building.; there's also some of Mom and/or friends on the boardwalk where the long-nose bird totem poles/houseposts are. Have you looked at
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village; sounded like, from what I remember, the longhouses were surrounded by the midden; when I first read it it almost sounded like these were pit-houses like in the Interior (
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If someone else were coopting the Skwxwu7mesh heritage and good name, would you respond? And sorry, while I gave the cat's tail away most if it's still in the bag (see the forum)
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to write when coming back from Wikibreak (well, a few) and find it all eating up my music time and getting-to-the-gym time...gotta learn some discipline and prioritizing.....
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The Indigenous Elders of the IHRTGC, coming from the Squamish, Cree, Metis, Anishinabe, Lakota and Six Nations under the traditional Land Law Jurisdiction of Turtle Island.
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in Ashcroft, 1917. Just providing these as cases-in-point about why a separate article for non-coastal-culture potlatches is needed; or at least a sepcial subsection.
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Looks to me that whoever this is isn't rrepresen5ting the Sikwxwu7mesh, but agitators from the Cree, Mteis, etc... (A.I.M.) and don't even start telling me (as I know
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and use "find on page" to find posts from "POC04746160"...the article is troubling enough but when I came across this I thought "I better ask OMR about this":
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fever" or "tropical fever" on either the lower Columbia or lower Fraser and some mysterious ship that brought it in; influenza in its advanced stages is like
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I'm also applying for a few other grants this summer. So that's a big work load. lol. I'll try and do my best around these parts if I get a chance to. = )
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Now this Te Kapilano, also known as Gerry Johnson, is technically Squamish. Kind of funny thought because the Johnson family enfranchised a long time ago.
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which is no doubt of interest/use to you. The Kwakiutl section is less interesting/detailed, though the Haida one turned out to have a big list also (see
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a chief anyway?" Does this Kiapilano have the traditional authority to speak for the whole people, and to rule its territory (as if he were a king or
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yeah, yeah, wahtever, but it's public domain and I like the photograph as a photo - good angle, adn teh artwork's neat - and consider taht this is an
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Hi; this isn't a Knowledge topic, not quite anyway (not yet in other words but could you take a look at the comment forums following the article at
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just yet; I don't have the stomach fora blodbath ;-) But while he may not see this here, oh so very much I want you to lte me quote you above in
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I left you a note about this; just found someone wrote an article, needs work, good effort though; foundation for later bighouse articles/cat....
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Hi; been browsing BC Archives for various reasons; came across a "North Bend Potlatch" which really wans't much of a picture, but check out the
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system of the reserve. This isn't technically "indigenous governance" for my people. Anyways, Lahwa and his wife died in the river. Drowned.
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haven't you? BVy the way, what's the context of "Te" in teh name; is it just a prefix or might it bea Skwxwu7mesh adaptation/version of
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We call upon the world to endorse our condemnation and expulsion of Terry Glavin and The Tyee, and to boycott this magazine and person.
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about that longhouse stuff, could you keep an eye out for material on the indigenous suspension bridge Trutch tore down to build the
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wrong in putting that Coal Harbour in Vancouver; there's anotehr up by Port Hardy, and I think another somewhere else in BC......
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There is dozens of names for different Thunderbirds. It's the ancestors of different clans for different villages. Like for
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I've seen photo's of that graveyard before. As for the Comox graveyeard photograph, I think those poles are a mixture. Some
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article, if not quite that title then somethign like it, because of teh entry in the Catholic Encyclopedia (note also
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in whose journals or exactly when; 1830s I think; nice quote from Hill-Tout, and you might want to find Cole Harris'
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Hey dude, figure you have a real life, noticed you haven't b een active this last while; when you're back please see
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worth looking at.....that's not quite it, something else is stuck in my mind, I'll be back when it comes to me.....
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across all articles in the cat, and why were cdertain articles moved and others not? I'd say we have to watch the
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Kiapilano's hospitality, and we call upon both Terry Glavin and The Tyee to vacate Squamish territory immediately.
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over Squamish, which is why I stuck with it. I just don't know if it's posisble to do the same with Musqueam.
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and fiddling with refs on associated articles; not your turf but the remoteness-flavour of their stuff is neat.
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To be honest, it's not really something I know about. The only thing I've read which talks about longhouses is
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by the way? Wondering what you might have to add....also I just added your Maggie/Margaret Frank picture to
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No it doesn't. There was a musical orchestra band my people had back in the day. Actually, it was lead by
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village. For a can of milk and a loaf of bread believe it or not. It's not located in the Burke Museum in
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her chapter on the Scowlitz and Chehalis villages and their art might be worth quoting for the article on
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might have some good bibliographical stuff to check into but I don't recall much in there on longhouses
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had a traditional naming ceremony, calling witnesses, feeding the people, sharing his wealth. He has
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but haven't used it yet. And re longhouses, there were pics of a couple in the Kitwancool search....
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Admittedly the Emily Carr site doesn't say thunderbird when it uses that word; I'd assumed it was as
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page article, or can I just snap a photo and release the photograph? Hope ya liked the photographs!
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bring some buying money if you've got any; you're gonna find something you want there for sure....
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would be the split there, I don't think there's a diff for Katzie or Kwantlen, we'll see.....
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You also got something wrong in the email to the editors (and possibley other places).
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I wonder if it's Gerry Johnson (Chief Te Kiapliano) or Kevin Annet doing this? hahaha
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some; "please be nice" in any edits to it ;-) "they mean well"; it seems to me the
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daddy becoming king just before the war). I don't think we'll find any pd pics of
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spelling should probably be used for their ethno article, the way you've done with
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He comes from one of "Old Man" Capilano's wifes. I haven't goton to this part yet.
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Yo; figure I'd ask you to write a welcome/reply to the Haida youth who posted at
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not my turf, very much yours. Been doing what I could on community stubs, e.g.
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If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the
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a whole set of pictures of the 'Yalis graveyard and a few of Campbell River's
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once worked with, or lived with, the people. In absolutely no way is he a
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the the authority of Skwxwu7mesh Uxwuimixw, or by him and his buddies?
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bit of traveling. Actually, for most of the summer, I'll be gone.
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didn't have many wives, his grandfather "Old Man" Capilano did.
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on miscreants who do not follow the True Creed. BTW you've seen
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Please come to an informal gathering of Vancouver Wikipedians,
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I suggested a merge on that one; see its talkpage; pls comment.
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It's an "alright" looking canoe. I've seen better. (haha)
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Algonkian cultures are all currently mishmased inside it....
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Hi again about the indigenous welcome-mat thing; please see
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Can we move here so it's easier to follow the discussion? -
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Got anything nice of Mamquam or Sky Pilot or Meslilloet ?
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maybe under "Coast Salish". Sorry I'm not much help. -
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Template talk:Native peoples of the Pacific Northwest
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s name in the media or anywhere else. If you check
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I archived previous discussions. They can be found
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YVR Art Foundation Aboriginal Youth Art Scholarship
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I've referred before to Daphne Sleigh's 1952:associated with a particular village/tribe. 1735:- Again, don't know where from, but decent. 1643:, thought you'd be interested; the painter 1510:article started, political minefield that 1502:out. Talk about a great illustration for 1372:Musqueam I got from Maj. Matthews, Vol. 1. 512:Category:Honorary members of First Nations 2031:I've often wondered if some salesman for 1506:, no? Also behooves us to try and get a 1175:PS you might want to take a lawnmower to 716:Here's the good part. Jerry Johnson has 1248:article/section where someone had piped 2017:be from. No help from me on this one. 1557:or whatever thte license is applies.... 544:Kevin Annett and the Skwxwu7mesh elders 1741:- Don't know where from but I like it! 1244:Just last night I undid tweaks to the 251: 44:Do not edit the contents of this page. 2213:Vancouver:From Milltown to Metropolis 1747:- Beautiful braclets. I think their 107:Hi; your participation is invited to 7: 2432:Kitwanga Fort National Historic Site 1483: 592:Chief Louis Daniels, presiding elder 111:- the conversation had begun at hte 2436:Hagwilget Canyon Suspensions Bridge 1641:Painting on "Nimkish Salmon Fetish" 1623:Indian carving, Quamichan Rancherie 1276:The Resetlement of British Columbia 432:Category talk:First Nations leaders 411:this is probably spelled wrong but 1405:Talk:Gray sails the Columbia River 879:appointed as the personal agent of 356:pic/painting of Songhees Bighouses 24: 2497:BTW I got a real kick out of the 1923:Talk:Haida#List of Haida villages 1851:about pd pics of them I found.... 1727:Human & Serpent Spindle Whorl 701:Someone didn't want to be Indian. 113:Knowledge talk:WikiProject Oregon 2240:One quick addition/comment: the 2081:Then I think it's possible it's 1153:Talk:'Nak'waxda'xw#Nahwitti_IR_4 761:these hidden graves is the late 659:. 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