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George first saw Trayvon while heading to Target for his weekly grocery shopping. A witness testified in court that he always went like clockwork to Target on Sunday at this time. EVEN IF we somehow assume that George rashly confronted Trayvon, and was the 'troublemaker' here (and we have no evidence to support this), the facts show that Trayvon was beating George, and Trayvon didn't have a scratch of damage on himself. Someone was screaming for help for over 40 seconds, and no one came to help. George shot Trayvon one time. He didn't shoot over and over in a rash manner, and he immediately asked for neighbors to call the police.
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get an idea of what kind of person he actually is. He wasn't out "hunting", he was on his way to shop. He was willing to socialize with, work with, partner with, and stand up for black people in his daily life. And for him to suddenly change into a murderous anti-black sociopath just seems completely out of character. --
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Hmm, It was based on Lmmnhn's major and timely effort to get a lot of information (about the election) in place. I wasn't making a judgment on his whole activity profile (though if I'd seen something I didn't like, I'd have not awarded it). I've seen him active on a lot of HK pages, and not noticed
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Avanu, thanks for your fulsome response, which adds to my understanding of the complexity of the case itself. My concern was, and remains, that the incident and case are clearly feeding into public concerns about race, vigilantism etc, and inasmuch as these relate directly to the case, this article
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on this topic, where I read about it. As that notes, Beyonce is only one of several people who have made the connection. In fact, I have only a cursory idea who she is, as I grew up several decades before she was born, but her being well known adds a little to her inclusion. So, without wishing to
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Compare those events to what happened with George and Trayvon. George Zimmerman has a black great grandfather, opened a business with a black partner, showed up at a city meeting to protest the needless punching of a homeless black man, and reportedly had a black young lady as his date to his prom.
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Some people want to paint a very biased picture of events, where George Zimmerman is a different person than the facts show. I can't say whether he started the fight, or how foolish he might have been, or whether he should have stayed in his car. But I can look at the facts that are available, and
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Yes, the conversion is handy for those who prefer their units metric. But it is grammatically incorrect: as a modifier, the plural is wrong and it needs a hyphen. As far as I know, WP cannot provide conversion for modifiers - unless you know otherwise? Since a grammatical error is unacceptable
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Beyoncé is a noteworthy person, but in looking at the quote she gave "We must fight for Trayvon the same way the generation before us fought for Emmett Till", she seems embarrassingly uninformed. Emmett Till was in broad daylight and whistled at a white woman on a dare. His attackers spent hours
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No, I didn't. I moved a date in the sentence, which effectively brought together five references, which may indeed be too many - but I didn't introduce them. Only failed to prune them, coz I was in a hurry.
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Was her quote worth inclusion? We could debate that part, but I thought it elegantly made the connection between Till and Martin, and even captures the current unrest on the racial implications of this
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OK, noted. I assumed that if he wasn't allowed to see my question, then it would be blocked from him. And, ahem, while your subhead was provocative, I have no guilty conscience, so no worries!
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