1226:, thanks so much for pursuing this. I'm delighted that Prof Gomes has responded so constructively. Neither am I formally trained in anthropology. It is now clear that his views are not as straightforward as I had imagined (i.e. it is not as simple as Menraq = Semang). In terms of Knowledge (XXG), we need to be guided by published sources but I definitely encourage you to engage further with Prof Gomes in a less formal way. From what I have seen of your extensive edits here, you're certainly already well read and definitely not a clueless idiot! Anyhow, it would be wonderful if your interactions with Prof Gomes can lead to additions/refinements of the relevant Knowledge (XXG) articles. Editors such as yourself are what makes WP such an amazing initiative. All the best!
1144:) concerning the definition of the Menraq people. One Knowledge (XXG) editor claimed that your book "Modernity and Malaysia: Settling the Menraq Forest Nomads" seems to suggest that the term Menraq is synonymous or interchangeable with Semang. However, I've found this a little odd to make a comparison between the Menraq (if viewed as the entire Semang group) to be compared with the Semai people in a chapter, 'Give or Take: A comparative analysis of demand sharing among the Menraq and Semai of Malaysia' that you've contributed in 'Ethnography & the Production of Anthropological Knowledge'. Unless the Menraq refers to a specific ethnicity instead of a collective group.
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Malaysia today. I also agree with berita harian "who change name Bahasa Melayu to Bahasa Malaysia disregarding the Federal Constitution. Those who act in this way do not fully love the soul of this country and do not live the Pillars of the State".
1205:*PS: In all seriousness, it's quite daunting for me as I'm not formally trained in this field of anthropology. So if we were to proceed, I'll need to do lots of reading beforehand to avoid looking like a clueless idiot for wasting the professor's time. 😬😨
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