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masts. So BT Tower is not a mast and it is not a skyscraper. It was build as a TV and Radio Tower including an observation deck for visitors. It is correct that
Blackpool Tower was original designed as a observation tower. In these days without TV and Radio it could for sure not transmit TV or Radio signals. So you see: both are towers, just differ in the building technique and design. After all those towers are nearly 80 years apart from their start of construction, so there is no wonder about their differences. Both towers have an observation deck that is open for public and BT Tower is higher, so there is no reason to refer to Blackpool Tower in this list. --
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for thoughts.. your spin is underhanded, and not appreciated. Nor are your insinuations. If you can support your offensive "some other agenda" remark, please do so - until then, your adversarial attitude is not welcome. Wiki works through open communication. You treat this article so much as your
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I am very sorry. But from architectural point of view (and that is the basic principle we should look about) your thesis is not durable. Architectural both (BT Tower and
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Here's the recovered content introduced by you: "Sebergham Castle is a farmhouse, formerly known as Colerigg Hall, transformed into a Gothick folly in the late eighteenth century.<ref: -->
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