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reality of the science world is, and I pointed this out in my first essay on the topic, if you want to gain traction in the world of science, you need to sell yourself. And if it's true for academic scientists, it goes double for an independent researcher trying to survive on donations. The h-index is through-and-through a popularity rating. It tells you sweet fuck all about the quality of someone's work, just that other people have referred to it. Yes, Knowledge is the most valuable tool I have for promoting my work. If I can't promote my work, I can't survive as a scientist. And if I can't survive as a scientist, no more contributions to
Knowledge, because I only ever write about science. I certainly won't bother if I'm not actively involved in the field, and at this point, that is likely because even the small traction I've gained has been hard won and I have received exactly $ 60 in donations up to this point.
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purposes for whatever reason (whether they're selling a product, trying to get personal donations, or even collecting money for a worthy charity) it harms the site. Because if we allow exceptions for you, we have to allow exceptions for everyone. Imagine the result... Knowledge is one of the most popular sites on the entire internet, and receives massive amounts of traffic. As the site that "anyone can edit", that means that people could use this site for free to reach countless people to gather customers and/or collect donations. If we give people the ability to do that, the site would be overwhelmed. As it is, it's a continual struggle to keep that off of
Knowledge. By using this site for solicitation you are part of that problem. The site has a hard enough time maintaining trust and integrity, it would lose it completely if it allowed efforts such as what you're trying to do. --
1778:"when advancing outside interests is more important to an editor than advancing the aims of Knowledge, that editor stands in a conflict of interest" That assumes the two are in conflict. They are not. In my original essay on the topic of conflict of interest, I explained that: I work as a scientist. Neutral-point-of-view is built in right from the start. My getting donations does not conflict with the goals of Knowledge, it advances them. If I cannot work because I'm starving, how does that help Knowledge? Unless you assume that any donation I get is one less for Knowledge, but I don't believe that's the case since the work I do is not the same in scope.
1414:. Be a builder, not a destroyer. It is very easy to add your own material while leaving what I've already created still largely intact. This is what was done with the chaotic mixing page. A scientist said she was interested in working on the page along with a couple of students and asked me for feedback. The changes were made and I noticed that there was some duplication so worked on integrating the material better. The result, I think, was an article that was much better than something either of us alone could have produced.
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knowledge eventually gets added to the scientific cannon and so warrants inclusion. In addition, creating new knowledge is a slow process so much of my time is also spent collating existing knowledge as well as writing software that often merely implements existing techniques. It's also a fuzzy line between when a fact is new or simply a new way of presenting an existing fact. If I develop or present an equation in a new way, but the equation is already well known, is this original content? I tend to think not.
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user page here, and that isn't a violation of any guidelines because the link on your user page isn't going to a site that's primarily meant to make money, nor is the link itself soliciting donations. Again, I have no problem at all with that link, and I don't care if it leads to you getting donations, because it would only do so indirectly. (As long as you don't change that page from being an "about me" page that includes a donation link to a "please give me money" page that highlights a donation link.)
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the article, so the most eager readers, if they want the same, direct experience that I crave, can get it by downloading and running the software or trying some of the examples. All this was done in good faith. I wrote the software, found it worked extremely well for my purposes, so released it to the general public. I think it is good software and I've worked hard in recent releases to make it more user friendly.
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others would step in and fill them out a bit but for the most part they have remained untouched. Thus, if unblocked, I intend to use my expertise in the topics and make the articles more complete: e.g. adding more from Ottino's book in the article on chaotic mixing, adding more about pointwise estimators in the article on variable kernel density estimation.
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deal of interest in issues like climate change of which sea ice is a valuable marker. It is important that even ordinary people can learn how the science is actully done: articles like this, by dealing with the more "nitty gritty," as opposed to the lighter surface treatment, which to my eye looks more like spin, make climate science more accessible.
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state-of-the-art, but to improve existing work, thus in writing an article it would make sense to reference my own work: should I not have confidence in my own abilities, that I have done a good job? Or, who would be more qualified to write about these topics than someone who specializes in the field and who has worked in the field for many years?
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original thought in it although it references two of my own papers. Rather it unifies and summarizes much of what came before. The figure which you have removed comes from one of my (peer-reviewed) papers and accurately diagrams the majority of microwave sea ice emissivity models used up to this point.
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Honestly, you remove the links in
Knowledge, there goes 90% of the traffic to my website. Call it conflict-of-interest, call it advertising, call it whatever the fuck you like. Do you really want to do that to me? I've been working at this for a long, fucking time and I'm damn good at it. But the
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Something else just occurred to me... You have a link on your user page to a self-published page with information about yourself. That's fine. That page has a "donate" link on it. That is also fine. You could indirectly receive donations if someone clicks on a link to your personal web site from your
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I really wish the whole idea of "objective" knowledge (or neutral-point-of-view: same thing) would finally die. There is true knowledge, but not objective knowledge. Quantum mechanics suggests that subjectivity is built right in to the laws of physics: when you observe something, it changes. Even
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Knowledge as a volunteer. You are here to promote your work, and make money. That is not the purpose of Knowledge, and with that I have to block you. This is quite possibly the clearest conflict of interest case I have seen in more than 5 years volunteering at the COI noticeboard. I
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Does this apply equally to articles as it does to user pages? Because it seems to me that there should be a lot more leeway as to what is allowed in a user page than in an article. This is, after all, my personal page, at least as it relates to
Knowledge. As such, it should represent me. If I am
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So you have no grounds to claim copyright, you've given them up. You don't deserve any more compensation than any other editor on
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Which brings me to my second point: the second part of my job as a scientist is to disseminate my findings and knowledge amongst the general public. I can't think of a better platform for doing this than
Knowledge. Perhaps it is arrogance, but I consider this a vital public service. There is a great
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on the matter. Personally I think no one should be allowed to edit for hire. But if the foundation allows the Kochs to pay someone, it will be hard to see a logical distinction between that and Peteymills' opt-in panhandling. In fact, it will be race between me and everyone else to also put out
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I don't believe the law is all that clear in this matter. I wrote it, it's mine and I don't appreciate people taking advantage of my work by preventing me from seeking compensation for it. Like I said, I don't run off of air. I never said I deserve nor expect "more compensation." I just think I
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section "Radiative transfer modelling", only referenced by a paper located on a private webspace, and appears to be from 2011. 1.) How relevant are these calculations for today's state of science? 2.) Update Ref to the Cryosphere journal, and or other peer-reviewed journal publications. It would be
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I'm a physicist working on fluid mixing. With a team of graduate students to whom I teach fluid mixing, I'm planning to complement next week (on February 3rd 2012) the page that you started about chaotic mixing. We would be very pleased if you had the time to review our changes after we work on the
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status is unclear. If you did not create this file yourself, you will need to specify the owner of the copyright. If you obtained it from a website, please add a link to the website from which it was taken, together with a brief restatement of that website's terms of use of its content. However, if
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I should point out that all of the articles I have authored have remained virtually untouched to this date, what, over half a year after being banned? So my disruption can't have been that serious. Two of them have received 'C' class ratings, including one that was authored almost exclusively by
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e/c Hmmmm..... If it is OK for Kock Brothers to hire someone to come here to edit, then it should be OK for editors to hold their hat out so Koch Brothers can fill it. And of course, once that ice breaks then everyone under the sun will ask for money for editing wikipedia. So what about those
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Also, note that myself and NewsAndEventsGuy were defending your contributions and the potential validity of your self-referencing in articles, and you've managed to change both of our minds through your actions. I've been working with COI editors for many years and this is the first time I've ever
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Although I'm "just" a regular ed, as you know I was involved in the exchange which produced your block and I am opposed to unblock at this time, because your request makes no attempt whatsoever to demonstrate awareness on your part as to the reasons for the block in the first place. For example
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More on COI: I use a lot of examples from my own work, especially for the figures. All the figures in the article on chaotic scattering are from my thesis work, although I do not reference my own (peer-reviewed) paper on the topic, just my thesis papers. Now why do you suppose that I use my own
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The more I think about it, the more I realize there is no conflict of interest. My goals as an independent researcher are substantially the same as Knowledge's. While I am trying to create and disseminate new knowledge, Knowledge is about collating and disseminating existing knowledge. But new
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It doesn't matter, as an administrator I'm obligated to enforce the guidelines and policies, and I do so willingly because they are based on consensus by editors at this project, and by the WMF that created and governs this project. And because I believe they are fair and correct. You essentially
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I disagree. Knowledge solicits donations. Why should its editors not also? To suggest otherwise is hypocritical. If these attacks continue I am going to implement a very simple solution: enforce my copyright claims and remove anything and everything I've written here and revert any attempt to
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Rather than focus on why I think there is no conflict of interest (I believe my goals and those of Knowledge are substantially in agreement), I will focus on what I intend to do if unblocked: I have noticed that perhaps, yes, some of the articles I have authored are unbalanced. I had hoped that
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I don't plan on doing any editing at the article, personally. For one thing, I would need to read several of the cited RSs and then read some others on topic (even though they weren't cited) before I felt competent to render an opinion about it being "serious science". Further critique belongs
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The article has many references and generous inline citations. I'm not sure what you mean by "too much synopsis." Isn't synopsis the whole point of an Encyclopedia? I'm also not sure what you mean by out of date data: most of the article deals with physical principles and their application to
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I am not hiding anything. Anybody who cares to check will find that, yes, the same author who wrote this article and many others has also referenced a lot of his own work. And I won't lie either: Knowledge is an important tool for promoting my work. Unfortunately, the harsh reality of science
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That's not correct. Microwave radiometry can detect more than just ice concentration. As we speak, new algorithms are being developed to retrieve sea ice thickness from microwave radiometry (e.g. Huntemann, M. , Heygster, G. , Kaleschke, L. , Krumpen, T. , Mäkynen, M. and Drusch, M. (2014):
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So in this case, it's hard to argue conflict-of-interest. In science, promotion and dissemination go hand-in-hand and disseminating your work is one of the twin responsibilities of a scientist. The question is not whether I am referencing my own work, but whether that work is relevant and of
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Indeed, when I first started working on sea ice remote sensing, it was apparent that there were many issues in emissivity modelling and my first task was to clarify them. The Knowledge article, "Sea ice emissivity modelling," represents a large portion of that work. There is little of my own
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The goal of science is to discern objective facts. Thus, the neutral point of view is built in right from the beginning. How much this is achievable in practice is debatable: few philosophers believe that true objectivity is possible. My job as a scientist is not only to advance the
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Meanwhile, a belated welcome to Knowledge, Petey. I see from your list of contribs that you've been around awhile, but I couldn't tell if you have been through procedural wringers yet. You are always welcome to stop by my talk page if you're looking for wikipedia advice.
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Yo, I know the starving scientist thing all too well. Not that many jobs these days. Still, using wikipedia edits to solicit money is lame-o extrem-o. Volunteer here, or don't volunteer here. If you want to solicit donations, start your own blog and do it there.
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It could also mean that some content additions from you are just fine. However, i kindly ask you to stay open minded with any kind of critic, but this only works if you do not start to threaten legal actions or anything else of this kind of behavior, thank you.
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reinstate articles or pieces of articles containing content I've written. I don't deserve this. As I've said already: I work hard at my craft. It's difficult enough trying to make it as an independent scientist. I deserve some compensation.
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have to thank you for being honest with us, but you'll have to find some other means to promote your work and raise funds for it. I do wish you luck in your endeavors, and I mean that sincerely, but Knowledge cannot sponsor them. --
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physical models, not data. I have read the guidelines for original content and conflict-of-interest since it was just as relevant when I first started adding content. I do not believe the article crosses any of these boundaries.
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The paper referenced for RT modelling is from an IEEE journal, a highly respected scientific publisher. Again, if you think the article needs more material or needs to be improved, then improve it. See also my comments at the
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today is that you cannot survive without promoting your work. The h-index is a common measure of a scientist's output. It is also unambiguously a measure of popularity, much as you might find on a social media or dating site.
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should be allowed to ask for it. As I've said already three times: Knowledge is not run for free. They solicit donations regularly. To think that it is not the exact same case for the individual editors is hypocritical.
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You are probably right. Look, you caught me at a bad time here as I suffer from dark moods so gave the flippant response instead of addressing this issue properly. I can be arrogant and abrasive even at the best of
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I apologize for not leaving a standard block notice here, though I did state above that you were blocked, it was indefinite, and the exact reason why. I'll correct that now, and leave the template as a formality. --
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Empirical sea ice thickness retrieval during the freeze up period from SMOS high incident angle observations , The Cryosphere, 8 (2), pp. 439-451). It can also be used to detect snow thickness and other variables.
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Sorry, it wasn't clear to me that you are blocked(since there is no user talk notification). I'm not sure but you may ask for re-assessment, that is if you change your position related to the blocking.
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certainly wouldn't be continuing to work for free if I didn't. But the realities of this world are: will still live in a reward-based system and you need money to survive.
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If this is serious science, then we should keep it. However, we shouldn't past all kinds of formulas and snippets containing details in various articles. (
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