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footnotes #'s 75, to the SciAm article, and 76, to the text of Darwin's The Descent of Man. I would not want to misrepresent SciAm, but I object to their misrepresenting Darwin. As Nerdseeksblonde said, if we can't complete the quote SciAm mined from the original, we should just drop it. But I think if I delete it, Dave will restore it. No point in that. That's why I'm going to try to go up a level. I still cannot for the life or me understand why a primary source is banned, unless maintaining political correctness is a greater goal than accuracy and truth. For example, in the Wiki article on George Washington, footnote #32 leads to Washington's original writing, not to a book or magazine or newspaper. That's all I'm requesting.
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same page and in rebuttal to a hostile review of the movie. Obviously I'm not the only person who is aware of this inconsistency in Darwin's legacy-protectors who also serve as Wiki's and every other PC organ's gatekeepers. What is ironic to me is that I fully understand Darwin was speaking from his time and the knowledge available to him, and am clamorous that a man must always be judged by his times. Nor do I pin his mistakes on Dawkins or Provine or Dave Souza. However, it is true that the eugenicists did build on Darwin's foundation, and Darwin was very much aware of his cousin's arguments and to a point agreed. But, as Shoemaker's Holiday informed me, that will never fly at Wiki.
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just as Christianity, being pervasive in the common culture for the past millennium, kept a tight clamp on scientific investigation and conclusions, being an actual "conspiracy" only infrequently, so today in our post-Christian world the pervasive humanistic common culture controls the media and to a great extent, the purse strings of scientific inquiry. I had hoped for better, but as Darwin concluded, "Man still bears in his bodily frame the indelible stamp of his lowly origin." Might makes right. Or at least preponderance defines the flow of the mainstream.
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would be disallowed because the quote comes in a reply from one Alan Niven whom I can find online only refuting evolutionists. Yes, I myself would disallow this being introduced into the article. I pass it on to you in case you are interested--it does have "my" quote--Darwin's full passage--on the
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Is the difference between the Expelled... article in Wiki and the one in George Washington that one is a movie review? No, can't be--the reviews of Mary Poppins and Secondhand Lions, for two examples of Wiki reviews, are not so carefully footnoted. This is what leads me to the conclusion that it is
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This has been a great education for me and has convinced me that my friends who believe in a left-wing conspiracy are not as loony as I had thought. There's no organized conspiracy, of course, except perhaps by a few nuts--certainly not by any of the evolutionists appearing in Stein's film. But
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Marc--Hello! Thanks for chiming in. You wrote, "For that particular section, the main reference is the sciam article, and because scientific american didn't include the entire quotation, we cannot, either." When I came across the article, it already had the two references that are still there,
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I believe Dave is latching onto a NPOV rule--also known as grasping at straws--to prevent me from including the full quote. I don't see him doing backflips over at Mary Poppins or Secondhand Lions because they are improperly
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Thanks for the info...I suppose it's similar to the British/American English thing...it should be consistent in the article, but doesn't have to be wiki-wide. What would you have put in the summary for that change?
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to protect Darwin's legacy at the expense of suppressing what he wrote. Just take a look at Dave's talk page to see what a champion of Darwin and opponent of creationists he is.
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I would add it to the article, except I've already appealed to the mediation cabal. Besides, I have no desire to argue or get into an edit war.
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The quote is in a text box about a third of the way down, and the movie is cited in the third paragraph of "Criticisms and controversies."
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Please show me where I'm mistaken if I am. Yopienso (talk) 04:13, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
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that you stated WP preferred CE and BCE. Actually, we have no preference: see
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Hey hey! My first comment on my talk page. Now I truly am a wikipedian... :)
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