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for instance (which I have read somewhere but cannot find references to now, or I would have included it) is that it grew as a 'social pathology' in extreme conditions, such as the condition of Bengal after the great famine of 1770. Since there are multiple theories, we need to be careful about putting any single one in the lead; it implies that it is generally accepted as the prime reason. The fact that it is not in the article till now, after several years and after detailed scrutiny by many editors, implies that it is not universally accepted. Of course, it might only demonstrate the ignorance of myself and other previous editors, but I think you need to show that the caste theory is generally accepted as the reason for the practice.
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are related and not every time we have time to find out more. This article is kind of sub-article to the main articles about the Clan, check the article of "Zbigniew Scibor-Rylski", it have been lot of work to do this small article! In the future we will try to improve but in the mean time I dont think that anyone will provide more than it is now.
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I am very sorry that I am having very limited access to internet these days and cannot participate actively in any of your projects on
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Charles Elliot and the Pali canon, but was deleted by someone. That is why I post it in the talk page and discuss it with others first.
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Please verify you source(Velcheru Narayana Rao; David Shulman. Classical Telugu Poetry (2 ed.). The Regents of the University of California") before changing any thing, The source/book contains the word "Indo-aryan". You should know that Telugu has heavy indo-aryan influence
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you have writing and speeches of Dr. Ambedkar, the constution of the Sabha is published in Volume 17, part 3, and it will be helpful to you if you intend to start the article. Also teh attached image from commons may be useful for illustrating in the article about the Sabha.
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Hi Ranjith: I really appreciate your efforts contributing to Babasaheb-related articles, but I am afraid that the Castes in India article is not going in a correct direction. Knowledge (XXG) is a encyclopedia and not a collection of original sources or quotations (see
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Thanks once again for your sincere interest in my interests. We must become friends. It the best thing on idea when you see the banner at the top indicating 'You have a new message.' Thanks for doing it for me.
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