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I first got introduced to Ayn Rand non-fiction about 1974, and ever since then I knew that genus-differentia definitions had to play a prominent role in the language. I may have had some notion of context at that time, because Ayn Rand made some remarks to the effect that context was all of your previous knowledge. But that was too vague. It was many years before I got the idea of a list of propositions. Aha!!! I just remembered that I came up with that idea during W3C emails -- probably would be about Nov 2002 and later. I developed the idea in the context of a "knowledge diary" -- write down all your knowledge everyday in a diary, and the context is all the things you wrote down before today. The W3C crowd didn't seem very impressed, but for me that was clear validation of the idea that context was a list of propositions. I invented the "knowledge diary" to have a simple explanation of context for W3C people -- that didn't work, but it worked for me. By the way, RDF & OWL still have only a very crude notion of context -- essentially that a particular file of RDF/OWL statements is a context. Even though that says to me, file = list of propositions = context, I don't remember anyone at W3C talking about lists of propositions.
1162:, and in the download file KEHOME/download/knowledge.zip -- contains 10+ years of thoughts, experiments, notes, other related theories, simple applications of mKE, etc. Usually, I put a date on every file, so you can tell what time period it came from. Sometimes, I left in a whole string of dates which corresponded to the times when I updated the file. There is one link from the main webpage, I think labeled "MKE applications", which goes to a second page, which has links to the more significant applications -- among all those things that I experimented with over the years. 400:
those examples "major features". They're too low level for that. The best term I can think of at the moment is "basic features". There are only 3 features worthy of being called "major features". A reasonable approach would be for the Lead to advertise a brief discussion of major features, followed by basic features. I have no problem discussing neutrality & notability. I suggest we tackle neutrality first, 'cause that should be the easiest. I'm emailing myself a copy of this. I will copy it onto Rhmccullough talk page. Dick McCullough email:
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We're never going to connect by sticking to Wiki pages. What time zone are you in? I'm in California (UTC - 8:00), and I'm having so much trouble sleeping, I can "meet" in the middle of my night if you just tell me when. I'll mention it now, so you can think about it. I made a serious booboo calling
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Hi! I was wondering if you could give me a pointer or two for a computer program I'm toying with; if I have a set of relations (subject-predicate-object triples) and some information about the implications of those relations, is there a more efficient way of figuring out the implied relations other
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It's kind of too bad userfying this wasn't done sooner- it could have saved all kinds of silliness and drama. Anyway, Knowledge (XXG) isn't going to change its sourcing standards, but if more sources emerge over time, this may become usable yet. I still heavily encourage you to start covering this
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Let me explain this to you, Mr. McCullough. The MfD was closed, ultimately, with a Delete decision. That might be reviewed, possibly, but Friday moved the Sources page to your user space. I will request a copy of the deleted article and it's Talk page, for my user space. It will be easier to improve
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Opening a new section here, to keep the edits from getting out of hand. Grey Knight -- I was thinking languages very early, even wrote one memo at Bell Labs in 1970s. But at that time, I was thinking things like SNOBOL patterns for matching language -- completely different from mKR today. However,
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is probably the closest to this for mKR, as even though it was written by you it was at least passed by the editor. If you can find some writeups by third parties saying something like "Hey, there's a language called mKR, it's good/bad/ugly" then you should get somewhere (note that the opinion they
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Let me clarify what we're looking for. Most of what you list above would be helpful for expanding the article, but what's being looked for right now are a few "foundational" references that justify, not any given statement in the Knowledge (XXG) article, but the existence of it in the encyclopaedia
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PS. I hope you don't get scared off or offended by this whole ugly AFD process. You seem like you have the expertise required to be a good contributor on various other articles here. Some of these ideas on verifiability and original research are here to protect Knowledge (XXG) from advertisers and
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No such convention. In fact, it's rather irritating, when trying to follow a discussion, to have to pop back and forth across user pages.... most long-time users, as far as I've seen, reply in place. When one edits a page, it automatically is added to the Watchlist, so one knows easily when there is
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In other words, this isn't bad news. If we were unable to improve the article sufficiently by the time another AfD came, and one would, because some of these people are like bulldogs, they don't let go, usually, then it would have been deleted anyway, and the process of improving it would have been
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late 2002, I started working with W3C crowd, soon changed to MKR, MKE to avoid confusion. There are 100s of emails at W3C in that era. Also, in that time frame, MKE was available from CNET download.com, plus some others which I don't recall -- I can root through my notes for stuff like that, but
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The article, from one point of view, is coming along nicely. It is now a better introduction to MKR. However, it still has, of course, sourcing problems. I will recommend, I think, that you place a copy of this article on your web page. It will then be usable as a source for what the author of MKR
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One completely different tack. Before I retired (Bell Labs 1960-1984, AT&T Network Systems 1984-1989) I played around with hierarchies & language. I don't think the language was much like mKR at that time. What I did was more like playing with toys. I don't think there was anything very
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Incidentally, RDF/OWL entity-characteristic-proposition hierarchies have very serious problems. First off, they don't even have entities. Their class is a little bit like an entity, but they confuse that class with the set of all classes. I told them that many times, but they never seem to get
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The AFD may be too close to call. There is one reasonable argument for deletion: the lack of significant coverage in third-party sources. This is our general standard for inclusion of topics. There are good reasons for this- it helps us ensure neutrality, among other things. But regardless of
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on that basis. This seems like it might work, although I'm concerned that more complex relationships might get missed. I'll try to look at it formally and see what I can come up with. I already had an idea for improving the speed of lookups for "implied" relations by maintaining an index of
1582:, is there a better way than to brute-force produce a "complete" list of relations and then start hunting through it for the target?). This was bugging me a while ago, and I just went to look at it again. I recalled that you had done some work in this field, so thought I'd ask. Thanks! -- 1502:
I encouraged you to edit the article at this point without regard to notability or verifiability, to simply make it the best article you could write if (1) you were still required to use Neutral Point of View, but (2) you could use your own experience and knowledge as sources -- but not for
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Friday and I disagreed about a great deal in the AfD, but he's right about this. Cover the topic on Wikiversity. It's a better environment for the kind of thing you do, you'll be able to do more than could ever be done on Knowledge (XXG) (at least under present conditions, and probably
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Theoretically, it shouldn't make any difference, but if the article, when it first goes back, is tight and fully referenced to independent sources, it will politically be more likely to be successful. Then more marginal sources can be used to flesh it out, appropriately handled.
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the article in user space, because a user can revert changes in their user space, generally, without limit, allowing defense against any attempts to disrupt the editing. As long as the article is reasonably being prepared for return to article space, it can remain in user space.
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In the early years, I traded a lot of emails with a couple of friends, discussing syntax & meaning & use of mKR. But I don't expect any of those to be archived anywhere. I probably talked about mKR in some other email groups, but again nothing pops into my head at the
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Abd, I am happy with what you propose. I could recreate what I would like in the article very quickly. Then I would welcome any suggestions from you. I have one question for you, already. Should I include Winograd & Iwanska in the history, or just forget about that?
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appropriate. They don't have the kind of "no original research" rule that Knowledge (XXG) has. Even if the article is kept at Knowledge (XXG), someone might radically shorten it to only what they consider verifiable information. At Wikiversity, this problem won't exist.
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more difficult, with certain editors seeing and removing any source that they suspect, and they will apply rigorous standards not necessarily appropriate for the article. So it could be a constant battle. When we get the article ready to go back, we would probably go to
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You can program all of that into the "meaning" of a relation, so that it uses all info. available at the time. If new info. becomces available, you can re-execute the same "meaning" after the fact. Anything after the fact will have some "brute force" flavor to it.
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I'd like to ask you another question - to get out in the open now - I have designed mKR so as to be able to say anything (which Ayn Rand would say) about concept formation, axiomatic concepts, etc. Do you think that's in the same category as "user-friendly"???
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Later, I did put a few of the Yahoo emails in KEHOME/krnews, but clearly, Yahoo is the best place to look for the later emails. If you get to looking at any of the W3C emails, you can tell when I was active, because you'll see a sudden flurry of emails by me.
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Yes, I'd like to know how things turn out. Re: more efficient Unicon programs. The mKE genealogy application has 3 relations whose meanings are implemented in Unicon instead of mKR. Look at KEHOME/src/birth.icn, KEHOME/src/child.icn, KEHOME/src/marry.icn.
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and ask for the deletion decision to be reversed, based on the new article, and DRV will then decide what to do. Or we will simply recreate the article, and see if it gets AfD'd then, depends on how long we take. The latter can often be less fuss.
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Tags like 'user friendly' are considered peacock terms here on Knowledge (XXG), and can't really be placed on an article unless you have a reliable third party source stating so. Claiming that it's English like and hence user-friendly constitutes
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I'm definitely striving to stay unbiased & objective. I just did not understand this whole approach to assessing "user-friendly". I asked several times what people meant about a user-friendly Citation. I just didn't get it then.
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My focus was on Rand a lot, because those very abstract topics are hard to discuss. But beyond Rand, the objective is really to say anything about anything - because mKR is a general purpose knowledge representation language.
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mKR associates a "meaning" with every relation; this meaning is a "method" which you can program to do whatever is appropriate in your context. For your example: Bob rel Mother = Alice; Bob has gender = Male; Alice rel Son
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I already did that -- several days ago. But I haven't done anything significant at Wikiversity, because I've been spending all my time here at Knowledge (XXG). I appreciate your attitude, and your advice. Thanks.
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A brief addendum, before I settled on context = list of propositions, I believe I was thinking context = ECP hierarchy, which is almost the same thing. I think I was using context = ECP hierarchy for many years.
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cranks. You sure don't seem to me like an advertiser or a crank; you seem like a guy with legitimate knowledge to contribute, who is doing a very good job of doing it neutrally. This is part of why I suggest
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It seems fairly likely that the article on mKR will be deleted, for want of sources. However there are other Wikis out there where this content would be more welcome. In particular, wikinfo.org specifically
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Yes, it definitely gets into AI area. Again, I say to myself "mKR is a general purpose knowledge representation language". Do you think that's another thing I'm not supposed to say -- like user-friendly?
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is putting together a complete mKR Sources page, which may contain unreliable & self-referencing sources. I don't understand the politics or methodology here, but he seems to think it will help.
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that says something to the effect of "I am User:Rhmccullough on the English Knowledge (XXG)." ? I don't think anyone really doubts it's you, but as you may have gathered we try to be thorough.
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a response there (at least that is the default Preference setting). Sometimes users will pop a note on the other user's talk that they have responded, which then generates the message notice. --
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You should answer on my talk page. That way, I can get back to you sooner. Anyway, from my limited programming experience, what you have outlined, borders on Artificial Intelligence. -
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Yes, when it becomes notable enough someone will add that point. I would also like to point out that since you created the language, adding terms like 'user-friendly' might show a
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during the discussion but should not remove the miscellany for deletion template from the top of the page; such removal will not end the deletion discussion. Thank you. -
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I guess if you want you could write it as "Dr McCullough has Knowledge (XXG) username = Rhmccullough;" (I've been reading some of your documentation as you can see!). --
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I would suggest reading some of our notability and neutral point of view policies before going any further. Hopefully, we can work together to improve the article. -
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If your submission has already been deleted by the time you get there, and you wish to retrieve it, you can request its undeletion by following the instructions at
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We will still need proof of notability from independent sources before the article, by then edited to meet verifiability standards, can go back into article space.
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I am well aware of that policy. What has irritated me is the "underconstruction" aspect. My edits were being deleted while I was in the middle of entering them.
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That statement seems fine. However the mKR article seems to have too much of technical jargon. Please keep the average user in mind when writing the article.
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do these things based on a description? And how is that coded behind the scenes? For instance, from the example above, if I can explain to a program that
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at all. In most cases, the "acid test" for this is an independent writeup of some kind by somebody not associated with the subject matter; for example,
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Your "Examples Cleanup" on 22:14 20 Jun completely destroyed the meaning of that section & needs "Undo" <<<<<<<<<<<
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I should have mentioned -- there is another source -- which will require some fortitude to go through. KEHOME/knowledge/rhm, which is available at
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I could wait no longer for someone who has "retired" and may never make good on his offer to improve mKR article. I performed the "Undo" myself.
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than brute-force running over the list and adding in every new triple that can be found? Perhaps there is a simpler method at least for a
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In accordance with our policy that Knowledge (XXG) is not for the indefinite hosting of material deemed unsuitable for the encyclopedia
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it's going to die. But it might take quite a while.... Knowledge (XXG) has, effectively, for the moment, painted itself into a corner.--
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In mKR, if you're that concerned about efficiency, then you implement the meaning in the Unicon language, instead of the mKR language.
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Early last year, names changed to mKR, mKE. website changed to mKRmKE.org (although I have a backup site). email address changed to
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The article on Knowledge (XXG) might be quite a bit more brief, with reference to what is on the MKR web site for more information.
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Cheers mate. Were all here to help. By the way, I cleaned up your talk page a bit. Also, the general convention is to reply on the
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C++ is regarded as a middle-level language, as it comprises a combination of both high-level and low-level language features
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If you will just talk to me, I will explain the problem <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
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I've finally run down. I'm online here a lot. But if you want to get in touch with me the surest method is email:
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2. You never discussed your edits with me -- they completely contradict the editorial directions of my last editor.
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At the moment, I can't think of any other memorable events which would guide your search for historical records.
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whether this article is kept in Knowledge (XXG), I wanted to encourage you to write about it at wikiversity.org
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It's funny, because the whole time I was designing mKR, I told myself I was designing a user-friendly language.
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I will be happy to place a copy of this article on my web page. Should I mention Knowledge (XXG) in some form?
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copy of email From: Rhmccullough To: Diligent Terrier Subject: working together on mKR (programming language)
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Let me know when you think the article is ready for a first review, just on the question of how it reads. --
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may not come up with much. Website in that time frame is probably rhm.cdepot.net and my email address was
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edit conflicts occur when someone edits and saves the page while you're still in the process of editing it.
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yet evolved to today's form. There's a lot documentation of the changes in mKR & mKE after I started
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Oops -- there's my engineering intuition fuzzing things up again. mKR says at view = v { ... }; v is the
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relations by their predicates; I'll let you know how things turn out, if you're interested. Thanks! --
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Now for names: 1997 Icon Newsletter, I unfortunately said kr, ke. Probably changed to KR, KE very soon.
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Thanks for the Wiki stuff. I'll look at them. I do account & copy of mKR article at Wikiuniversity.
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If the gender info. is only available after the Mother info., then you need to do something like this:
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original research. There might be some wikis specifically devoted to programming languages, also.
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1. You ignored my "underconstruction" sign, deleting everything that I spent the morning working on.
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Enough stream of consciousness. Can I tell you something more specific which would help you?
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Edit conflict - I gather there are no guarantees to prevent that. Thanks again. Good night.
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Now I am really unhappy with you, Diligent Terrier. A fine mess you made before you retire.
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I understand now. So -- maybe some day someone (else) will write that mKR is user-friendly.
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ok. Let's start with "user-friendly". What kind of Citation are you talking about here?
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If the gender info. is available before the Mother info., you can do something like this:
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I linked to the article, and put under the title "prepared for Knowledge (XXG), the 💕".
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I hope this is okay. On my web page, I added a section entitled "Why did I invent mKR?"
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different there, and your original research will be welcome rather than problematic.
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significant. But I probably wrote a few quick & dirty memos for my office mates.
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It was meant to highlight how to cite sources on a programming language.Yes, C
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So you mean that "entailed" new relations should be added as we go along? So
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express needn't be entirely positive; you only need to establish that someone
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Let's begin with the worst error: mKR:Major features: The brief examples ...
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If a "first review" means "is it ready for you to read?", the answer is yes.
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Hello, Rhmccullough. It has been over six months since you last edited the
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Hello again. I was on your talk page, and there's an edit conflict there.
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You're welcome to add it again if you can back it up with sources. See
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then if $ child has gender = Male; then $ p rel Son = $ child; fi;
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survive another AfD, but let's see if we can do better than that.
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There's probably little need for that. I moved this stuff to
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Thank you. And thanks for this Wiki info. I will pursue it.
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3. There are a couple of glaring errors in the edits you made.
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and should respect the work of their fellow contributors on
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Wikibooks:Wikibooks:Programming languages bookshelf
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Statements like these do need sources. - 544:where there is a citation on the statement 1658:(#1 hasMother #2) implies (#2 hasChild #1) 1203:of the list of propositions, or v is the 1570:on the full set (for instance, if I say 1407:topic on Wikiversity- the standards are 427:your edits to mKR (programming language) 1326:Talk:MKR (programming language)/Sources 1310:Talk:MKR (programming language)/Sources 1304:Talk:MKR (programming language)/Sources 868:domain wikinfo.com is now up for sale. 970:You might also want to look at these: 466:) 13:53, 22 June 2008 (UTC)Compare to 7: 1483:User:Abd/MKR (programming language) 685:articles in your area of expertise 34:Thank you!!! I did not know that. 14: 1615:meaning = { $ 1 rel Mother = $ 2; 1461:change its sourcing standards -- 1821:Draft:MKR (programming language) 1463:without abandoning verifiability 93: 1746:is added. And when I then add 1232:http://mkrmke.org/wikipedia.txt 1160:http://mKRmKE.org/knowledge/rhm 1093:notability has explanation = ?; 1351:User_talk:Rhmccullough/Sources 816:, an article you created, for 1: 1896:04:29, 18 February 2018 (UTC) 683:article, and edit some other 1750:, the system checks for any 1353:in case it's useful to you. 1226:Oh, further to a comment by 693: 1609:rel_Mother is relation with 1281:wikipedia.txt installed in 1078:programming language. 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Index

Amog
16:57, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
Rhmccullough
talk
17:04, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
Amog
10:42, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
Abd
talk
01:25, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

Knowledge (XXG)
do not own articles
MKR (programming language)
welcome page
Diligent
Terrier
(and friends)
18:35, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
Rhmccullough
talk
18:41, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
Rhmccullough
talk
18:45, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
Rhmccullough
talk
19:07, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
Diligent
Terrier

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