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On this topic, you seem to be wanting to give extra weight to what 'official' sources say; that's contrary to how
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I just created a group where I wanna bring together editors with the same goal as me, which is make
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You blame someone else for not seeing if there any edits? But at same time, you reverted the redirect, someone not seeing the pointer to the AFD in both the header of the restored article which you deleted before posting. And also not in the edit summary next to where you pressed undo? Assuming good
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You say "That's why we're here!". Yes, should be. However, unfortunately, over the years I have observed users who are settled here, supported by a curriculum that could once have been considered enviable, but who have stopped in time and now do not want renewal, on the contrary, they fight for the
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Hello, I'm creating a group of editors with the same goal as me, to make
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Let's clarify, I did not participate in any discussion and was not aware of the situation. Second, even if I had been aware, I would have edited it anyway, since I made improvements and added references. So, if an article is deleted, no one can create it again? Come on, especially since I added new
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My question is, how to procede in this situation: edit and correct the article according to the international governing body of association football and a lot of important non-primary sources, or wait consensus of 2 people that are preventing the article from being accurately updated and corrected?
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So, basically we already have the football governing body saying 2025 will be the 1st edition of a new tournament and very important non-primary sources, but a couple of users who are not open to making changes to adapt the article to reality (laziness from what I see in the comments), avoiding the
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As I said, I didn't just recreated the article, I made improvements and added references. So, this situation doesn't apply, nor the warning. Misguided admins that just restores without take a look if improvements were made should receive warning. Let's focus on improve
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Posting the same message here. SinisterUnion you need simply to wait. There were other two users in the past convinced about the same thing, insisting on editing the article because it needed to be like that. See history page. As a result, they were blocked from editing. You appear to back up the
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Sup, I cannot accept you to treat me, an user like me that just want to make
Knowledge bigger, better and more accurate every day. You can see all my recent contribs when I really started engage here about 1 month ago. Also, let me show you something, above I opened up a help request to know the
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I just saw your comment here on my talk page, I was busy with more important things. As I said before, I'm here to revolutionize, to make our
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I'd leave this message to any misguided editor who ignored the outcome of an AFD closure. Recreating the article when the AFD was closed as a
Redirect was disruptive editing and if you do this again (or any editor did this), a block would be the result. That's not a threat, it's an explanation.
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acted like a little dictactor, giving me less than 10 minutes to read that link he provided and blocked me. I still didn’t finish reading it after 30 minutes, how could I do it in 9 minutes? It’s impossible for me to take an action according to the link he provided, without reading everything.
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I didn't tried to recreate the article, I recreated the article. This is not disturbing at all and your warning was ignored, since the article has come back into existence. So I come to the conclusion that your text is a threat and an attempt to silence a new user, but one who is tough and has
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the changes that you think need to be made. There is no requirement to wait forever. But slow-motion edit wars can also be a problem, so make sure you keep the discussion going and perhaps make smaller incremental changes rather than big ones if other editors have expressed disagreement.
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You were told to dissolve your faction immediately and I provided a link to the relevant policy. Since you did not dissolve your faction, you have been blocked for one week for disruptive editing, including factionalism and battleground behavior. Please read the
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I did nothing that needed to be forgiven. I give this kind of advice to all new editors I see making serious mistakes. Knowledge is not about power and is not a battlefield. Learn our policies so you better understand why we do what we do here.
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For this 1st mission I will be responsible only for the quadrennial tournament, because I will need to create an article from zero, being a little bit more complicated and it will require more work.
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As it happens though, several editors have come to my User talk page and challenged the closure so I have reverted the decision and the article is back, at least for one more week. Thank you.
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and he said an admin need to make that action, that's why he reverted! Let's free him from any accusations, since, despite going against The Faction, he is only doing his job.
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