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537:(To Spinodontosaurus) I that under the pic on your profile (regarding theropod sizes)you put Spinosaurus as being 18 meters long. I wouldn't have a question about that, but when I figured that a meter is 3.3ft, I found that you're saying that spinosaurus is 62.7ft long. You also put Deinocheirius at 15m (49.5ft), Carcharodotosaurus at 14m (46.2ft), and Deltadromeus also at 14m, and both Tyrannosaurus and Giganotosaurus at a mere 13m (42.9). ???????????? Care to explain?
250:(no such thing as a "T-Rex", anymore than a disease called E-Coli!), the hip height in the paper is probably measuring the total length of the leg bones. Obviously, in a life pose with knees naturally bent, it would be a bit shorter. Actually, in resting posture I wouldn't be surprised if it were more like 3m at the hip, losing a meter from bending in the hip, knee and ankle joints. I'll look into the newer bite force study for addition to the article.
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I wouldn't mess with any weirdly displaying pictures, the Wiki thumbnail generator has been on the fritz the last few days, and users were advised to wait for the tech staff to sort it out. I just checked the file and it looks fine to me so I re-reverted it. Also, make sure you try clicking the
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Thanks for the note. It's my guess that you're right about his intentions. I just think it's good to reserve judgment until he actually damages a WP page. That said, we're all keeping our eyes out and I doubt he'll get far if he vandalizes anything.
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Hi spinodontosaurus, please DON'T go back to topix, 5 NEW trolls have arrived from wikipedia, topix is now a troll hole. I was wondering if you had noticed any artacles on wiki changed to spam. These trolls are coming from wikipedia.
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I am back to troll your forums. You were wrong i am not Spino King and do not know him. I have posted all over the net for people to go spam topix. I wont stop till you all surrender or till Spino chases me off with a war!
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I swear on my honour i am not Spino King. I hate Spino King he is a jerk and thats why i fight wars with him cause he saved topix from me with his counsil. You should say sorry to him.
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I am not
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Thanks for the giga pic. So you believe me now that im NOT giga fan. Lemmings is wrong i swear on my honour. Im going to war the trolls and prove im not him
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Ive just commented on the spinosaurus talk page, i have a question that i posted on there, i wondered if you could help? Also see the carcharo talk page.
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I am not
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