User talk:Steel1943/Archive 4

1225:, but consensus decided to not give that guideline consideration for the requested move to get it to lowercase. Essentially, if a editor doesn't agree with a guideline applying to a particular case, they can disagree with it and not follow it, but only if consensus agrees with not following the guideline in that case: otherwise, the edit could be controversial. In your move request's case, it was controversial, and the peers who presented their cases during the discussion had mixed thoughts on the move, which actually brings me to my next point: 31: 751:

behind deleting all the redirects, and if I specifically request that a link be left to prevent this, then other admins edit war with me over my subsequent request to delete that link once the redirects are fixed. So utterly simple to do correctly, and yet so difficult to get someone to do it without creating a mess that it's easier to just leave articles at misspelled names. I'm glad we still have some like you around. —

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the discussion. "Not moved", as it would have pertained to your move request, would have meant that it was very clear that the editors who participated were able to provide very good reasons (most likely through precedent or guidelines) that were disagreeing with the presented move, reefer ring to the presented move ONLY. In your move request's specific case, there was such a combination of opposes (most per

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move request had by other editors), so that option essentially not seen. What can happen sometimes in larger move discussions is that any alternate moves provided than the one in the discussion (unless it is presented immediately after the discussion starts) do not get the attention they deserve. If you want to see another example I am referring to, please see a discussion I closed on

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as many discussions as you like.) Also, you were in the correct venue to request the move; move requests can be closed by anyone capable of making a good decision (hopefully based on consensus) to confidently close the move; technically, the main difference between non-admins and admins on Knowledge (XXG) is access to deletion tools and the ability to block editors.

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edited for any reason. As another reference, when disambiguation work is done that makes a few hundred pages' links point to one disambiguation page, the links in talk pages and archives are not corrected. Anyways, this is my take. But, as I said, I have never seen it done differently than the way I closed it.

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discussions in cases where consensus seems rather clear, and if there is not another administrator to take action on relisting or closing the discussion. In fact, I have then seen an administrator involved in the discussion perform the "speedy deletion". I apologize for coming off rude in my response

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discussion consensus is determined based on information provided during the move discussion on the article's talk page; when I relisted the discussion, there was not enough consensus provided during the discussion to close the request to "moved" or "not moved". If you do not agree with the outcome of

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Greetings. Because you have already cast a vote for the 2013 Arbitration Committee Elections, I regret to inform you that due to a misconfiguration of the SecurePoll we've been forced to strike all votes and reset voting. This notice is to inform you that you will need to vote again if you want to

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to move it, you can (I'm not saying that I'm not sticking by my decision to close the previous discussion to "no consensus." I'm saying that a new discussion might be able to clarify consensus if it was started from scratch. And, unless you are banned or blocked by an administrator , you can open up

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request: when I was reviewing that move request (that was closed by someone else previously, I definitely noticed consensus to move to the current title "Millennials". Also, doing a revert on that move during the move discussion you started mentioned only once or twice (given the great response your

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There are other cases, I think, were we've kept odd links so that the archives still function. In this case, many of the talk pages refer to specific conventions described in the target page, so changing that page makes the talk pages and archives nonsensical. Rather defeats the purpose of keeping

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discussions that it was practice to change any links in archives, talk pages, or other "non-essential" pages after their target was changed. To me, the action you took was, in essence, editing links so that they did not appear as they did originally, and could alarm a user if they saw their archives

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There's a difference between what "No consensus" means versus "Not moved". "No consensus" means that the discussion went in too many directions to be able to make a clear decision: when this happens, the practice/precedent is to not perform any action, including the requested action that is part if

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thanks for the update on the status of that RfC. What I saw was another editor who was trying to do a bold non-conensus revert on those articles prior to the RfC being closed. Also, I agree with what you stated as well; I am actually quite impressed with how more thorough Zanhe's version is versus

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22:36, 23 November 2013‎ Steel1943 (talk | contribs)‎ . . (45 bytes) (-4,378)‎ . . (Redirecting page to Li (surname meaning "chestnut") - no consensus established (yet) at Talk:Li (surname)#RFC regarding multiple Chinese surnames transliterated to the same surname in English to create a new page -

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for doing the detective work to figure out the issue. Unfortunately, as a non-admin, I do not believe that I can see a title's move and deletion history when there is a created page at its location. If I could have, (and I never did the careless move), I would have never had a reason to bring this

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I appreciate your efforts and am sorry if I snapped at you. I'm just so tired recently of idiot admins (and others) that I tend to react to everyone that way. I'm even afraid to make a routine move request for a typo, because often as not the admin will fail to leave a link and a bot will follow

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Hi Steel1943. There seems to be some confusion. Polyglottz needs to be investigated. I opened a sockpuppet investigation before, but it was prematurely closed because Polyglottz was not active at the time. Now that Polyglottz/TAG speakers has returned, I think it is time to reopen the case. It is

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Note: In your move's case, I had to make a judgement call to basically predict if having the discussion go on for another week would clarify consensus for any of the three major options provided during the move request. Due to the direction I felt the discussion was taking, I did not believe that

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Hello Mark Arsten. My apologies for the late reply. I do not have any templates I can think of at the moment. There might be on in the future that has not had its protection level "downgraded" to Template Protection yet; if I find one, I'll let you know (unless requests to do so get absorbed into

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I'm very new to Knowledge (XXG). I don't want to be blocked from editing merely because a bully using sockpuppets is trying to get the Knowledge (XXG) authorities to stop me from editing. How do I address the sockpuppetry problem during this page protection request? Do I have to wait until an

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I appreciate your reasons for edit, and also the sensible ground you have taken and comments made following recent entry into this discussion, but per WP:BRD Zanhe has restored, and boldly or not, creating articles always has to be better than blanking, deleting sources, ... What Zanhe has

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Aside from looking at the edit history of Hapa, please look at the article's talk page. Polyglottz's and others' arguments have been thoughtfully and civilly responded to. Polyglottz/TAG speakers is acting like he owns the article and refuses to engage in the consenus-building process.

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demonstrated here is that the issue of notability and the repeated forum shopping attempts to merge these families is spurious. In which case no reason not to go ahead and do what Knowledge (XXG) does. At this point enough disruption/prevention of article growth has occurred.

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having that specific discussion go on for another week would have provided any enough clarity for any of the three major options presented to declare which one was clearly agreed, with good reason, by a majority and for similar reasons. Given that, I closed the discussion.

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the previous versions of the "Li (surname)" articles. At this point, and after I just looked over the RfC a bit, it looks like the RfC might be getting to a point where it can be closed. If you and/or others think so as well, I suggest that a closing request be posted on

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It is getting near the point, but it'd be better with a few of those who've previously commented looking at the situation now after Zanhe's raft of improvements. I was quite surprised that even with Li (chestnut) which is a "new" name, there was so much material.

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Speaking of which, earlier today, I realized that I completely forgot to do something that I usually do when moves like this occur: leave a hatnote on the previous new target letting editors and readers know about the new target. I have now remedied this on

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I figured by now that you have seen my response on my talk page. In addition, I just noticed that you are an administrator. The way that I closed the discussion I have seen done by a few other non-admins in the past, and saw it as a valid way to close

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You recently participated in a move request for the albums/songs titled "Living for the Weekend". This move has been partially carried out, but due to lack of consensus over the album versions, I have started a new request for those specifically, at

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is about as clear as policies come and I feel that your use of that speedy delete tag is not what it is intended for. Please revert yourself and follow policy, if you feel the policy should be changed then you should make a proposal at the correct

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Can you please clarify? From what I can see there are several other unique users making similar arguments on both the article and talk page (I am ignoring anonymous IPs). All including myself have been reverted by a single user. Thanks

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during a previous move discussion, and "no consenusus" means that there was not a clear call for any direction in a discussion having preference over the others (so thus no action was taken). If you want to open up another discussion on

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If the template is intended to be substituted, please feel free to remove the speedy deletion tag and please consider putting a note on the template's page indicating that it must be substituted so as to avoid any future mistakes

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Since you are now edit warring to enforce screwing up our archives, I've started fixing the archives directly. You'd think someone would take care of that when the retargeted the rd, but I guess my expectations are too high. —

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My opinion about that is a bit neutral. The reason I stated that during the RM is because I have seen other precedents where surnames have been split while using different diacritics (such as the several examples on

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on my talk page: I thought that this was either a known or accepted process. If you feel the need to revert my close of the discussion, I will not revert it again. Anyways, time for me to retire again. Take care.

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to a page on my watchlist. Your edit summary was "replaced template". It would be helpful for other editors if your summaries for similar edits mentioned what templates you were changing - for example: "Replaced:

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I requested protection and you replied " Note: From what I am seeing, it looks like there are at least two sockpuppet "masters", and one of them looks like a duck. Steel1943 (talk) 22:44, 11 November 2013 (UTC)"

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I apologise if it was something I had said that has caused you to leave, it was not my intention to upset you in anyway, I was just trying to point out that what you were doing was, for better or worse, against

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Hi, I saw that you just received the protected template editor userright. Are there any full protected templates that you'd like to edit? Let me know and I'll downgrade the protection so you can do so. Thanks,

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Today, you closed the move request. You wrote there is no consensus to move the title to "Millennial Generation". Just fyi, there was no consensus to move it from Generation Y to Millennials either.

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Glad to see you back at it again. :) You missed a lot of craziness. I have a big project in the works that I was planning to start up in the not-too-distant future that you may want to help out with.

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could have some sure adverse effects. The edits that I am thinking about doing I believe to be non-destructive and non-intrusive to the functionality of the template. I plan on posting a note in

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template on a section on your own user talk page, and then below the template, asking or stating the question/request for the administrator to answer/resolve, referencing the move discussion on

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It's worth noting that Polyglottz edited the "Paul Spickard" article on November 3, 2013 while TAG speakers made edits to the same article on October 4, 2013 and again on November 11, 2013.

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No, I realise that. It's so easy to make a move, then think you may have done it wrong, and you have no way of going back and checking. I can easily imagine how you must have felt about it.

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Allright then, I went ahead and did the deletion. Always a pleasure to run into a user who is willing to consider other points of view instead of letting their ego get in the way.

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Hello Steel. I have undone your closure of the above RFD, purely for technical reasons: How can you close a discussion as delete when you are not able to do the actual deletion?--

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First off, some of that previous comment was rather uncalled for. Since you had to ask a question like this, I would recommend reading the description on how relisting works at

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Very, very, very bad. Are you Canadian? Are you a Canadian indigenous person? Did you think to look at the full scope of categories and lists before 'relisting' this? See

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lines. Like Motown recordings, funk songs used bass lines as the centerpiece of songs. ] bass's mixture of thumb-slapped low notes and finger "popped" (or plucked) high notes

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because it is a deprecated or orphaned template. After seven days, if it is still unused and the speedy deletion tag has not been removed, the template will be deleted.

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First off, I apologize for undoing your edit without talking to you first. This is actually the first time that I have seen in the history of me having any part in

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that doing any of the three aforementioned options had a reasonable amount of disagreement by the presenters of the other two options for any to be considered.

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In fact, if you would like a good example, look at my request for administrative assistance on my user talk page directly above this section. :)

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quite serious that Polyglottz/TAG speakers keep insisting on protection for the page when the appropriate action is to work towards consensus.

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so the RfC can be formally closed. (I'd close it myself, but since I'm a bit involved with my reverts and I do agree with you, I cannot.)

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no problem. Glad to help. I was once a new editor trying to figure out the discussion forums; it can be a bit confusing at first.

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Haha, oh yes, sir! Hopefully much of it is being resolved right now, but hopefully people will excuse my pessimism regardless. ;)

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Another point that you brought up, and actually something that I had to learn myself when I started editing on Knowledge (XXG):

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BOZ!!! I never thought I would be back, but here I am! :) And craziness, eh? Hmm... are you thinking of a WikiProject of sorts?

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an archive, though I suppose if someone were ambitious enough, they could go through the edit histories of the links. —

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Super!... That helped a lot... thanks a million... we need to clone here... Count me in when you need a vote for admin.

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My question for you is: does "consensus" or lack of it among a few editors trump Knowledge (XXG)'s title policy? See

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but I think there is sufficient sourcing for a standalone article on the second Xu, including Xu change to Yee/Yu

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again to fix it. If I misunderstood what happened, or if you have any questions, you can leave a message on

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will have to be explained by them. In cases like this, the protection on a page is usually not upgraded to

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real quick? I want to make sure this issue gets resolved before it accidentally gets any worse. Thanks!

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ballsed-up attempt at requesting that technical page move! Don't how how or what you did, but cheers!

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by modifying 1 "()"s and 1 "{}"s likely mistaking one for another. If you have, don't worry: just

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the Rhythmic Transformation of American Popular Music." ''Popular Music'', v. 19, n. 3. Oct., 2000

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and the Rhythmic Transformation of American Popular Music." Popular Music, v. 19, n. 3. Oct., 2000

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Also if you are a non-admin then can this move request be opened up in another admin venue?

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has been answered. If you need more help or have additional questions, please reapply the

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has been answered. If you need more help or have additional questions, please reapply the

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has been answered. If you need more help or have additional questions, please reapply the

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has been answered. If you need more help or have additional questions, please reapply the

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BDD!!! I saw that you had commented earlier on some of my responses to requests in

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template, or contact the responding user(s) directly on their own user talk page.

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First, I saw the move discussion that happened earlier on the page regarding the

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template, or contact the responding user(s) directly on their own user talk page.

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administrator makes a decision and then point out Polyglottz's sockpuppetry?

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can confirm that I have acknowledged the administrator's response on

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that move discussion, feel free to create another move request on

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Important Notice: Your 2013 Arbitration Committee Election vote

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tag. For this reason, I'm reverting your unclosing my close.

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An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect

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Would an administrator be able to go ahead and carry out the

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prior to doing anything substantial. I might be working on

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International Phonetic Alphabet chart for English dialects

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later to explain and show the changes I am talking about.

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Okay, well keep in mind that the redirect is sorted into

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for an understanding on why I relisted the discussion.

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Just thought you'd like to know – I just used the new

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be counted in the poll. The new poll is located at

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