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557:, for the reasons you mention (i.e. make it quickly apparent that the reason this player is not in 'Current squad' is not 'because he wasn't good enough'). The only concern I have about that is that any new standard we could try to launch, should be visibly better and easy enough to follow. So no ] calls, but perhaps call {{inj}} and {{sus}} which should be easy enough to remember, and perhaps indeed put retired players in italic -- but I'd still put RET (or something) next to them too, because it's not quickly enough obvious to readers what "italic" means.
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citation to make the article more acceptable. But some retarted editors in that article not allowing to make it happen, deleted vital information and stories whcih are very important for the article to get a clear picture of wat India national team is. So, if you are interested I would like to consult with you about the specific concern about different sections and parts in the article. So please let me know. Hope you will reply.
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Thanks for the message! En met veel plezier :) Het is indrukwekkend hoe veel aanpassingen jij er de laatste dagen aan hebt gedaan, ik had het gevoel achter te blijven, hehe. Mooie prestatie in elk geval, ik hoop van harte dat het GA of A kan bereiken! Ik zal straks nog eens over heel het artikel gaan
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I realise it may come unexpected, but the consensus was there 8 months ago: . It was just never executed, becaues I wasn't sure whether I was supposed to do that myself. It will ensure people actually get an answer to their concerns. Note that I am leaving the most active talk pages alone. Is that
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Recentism, but that doesn't mean we should throw all other WP guidelines overboard! :p Finally, the legend for
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puts "preliminary" on the right (with Copa América), and has the same symbol legend at the bottom, although the symbols are not used at the moment (the word is written in full instead of "PRE"). Anyway, perhaps this sounds irrelevant because Belgium does not use an equally big "PRE" concept -
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Oh, I just look at what the address is actually comprised of. Often, a URL contains parameters (things like ?par=val&par2=val2&par3=val3 ...) that are related to the search that got you to the page, rather than to the actual content. It's not always easy to know which parameters are
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Hello! Just want to give you a head's up that I made some changes to your edits; please don't revert or edit over them again because they have been correctly cited (regarding recent call-ups and player's current club). Check out the page history for my summary first!
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to determine who had actually been part of the selection of that game. I see that I actually missed Sofie Van Houtven, so thank you for that addition, but Jody Vangheluwe was not selected for the match (even though she was there during the training period).
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lately. Most of them were because I added archived links and title translations. Are you willing to proof-read the translations? I want to make sure that no 'hairy' English remains. Just do a "Ctrl-F" for "trans_title=" and you will find them all. Bye,
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Oh, I only just noticed now that I overwrote your selection edit yesterday... sorry about that, I did not notice it when I saved my selection; I thought Knowledge (XXG) would have warned about that. I will repair the other changes you've made.
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Wreed bedankt voor al jouw aanpassingen in de formats, lay-out, tekstcorrecties en suggesties om het artikel te herstructureren (en in te krimpen)!! Binnenkort zal ik het voordragen als "GA candidate", einddoel is FA nominatie.
1799:, thanks for your contributions! The Belgium - Japan selection is a tricky one though. It was never published anywhere officially for some reason - what you cite, is actually a selection for their training preparation, and
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Just to inform you that once upon a time I started the 1990s page - so, don't make it yourself again; the matches and results are filled out, only many details are still missing. I will make sure to upload it this weekend.
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Well it's "president" for at least one more month (probably 2-3)!.. :P And thanks for the acknowledgement, although of course my contributions pale in comparison to yours ;) quite cool to be so close to FA now.
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Thank you for the great job. Now the league results are displaying nicely on one page. I think the spaces between the each team's flag and the result can be reduced further. Please take a look at
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You're welcome. The last 2021 update was originally planned to be released yesterday. I waited for it, but in the end nothing happened. According to that link, they've put it off by seven days.--
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