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in proto-siniatic you are not able to provide anything beside advice to do my own OR. Instead I will continue to cite the research and evidence provided by others. This can go on as long as you want it to. You started the reversions and you continue, therefor you will always have more reversions than I leaving you culpable for and inciting these constant edits.
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Nor will your own feeling of what is "widely" accepted. I request that you end your revert war. This gets us and wikipedia nowhere. I feel G-d himself could could show you his name in protosiniatic and it wouldn't be good enough for you because at some point you decided that you are judge of what is
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Original Research within the Library of Congress? While I am at least able to site websites with physical evidence(no matter how much you disagree with the presented evidence it still is evidence). While I am able to cite resources for the inclusion of Yod Hah Vah Hah
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Disputed by you and you alone and not even cited as such. Instead of allowing a flowing discussion you unilaterally delete. Your "opinion" overrides the evidence provided by multiple groups on the authenticity of proto-siniatic. Before deleting again... can you find some sources that "dispute" the
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I asked him politely to stop reverting my work. The reversion culpability is on him not me, as I requested to work it out before reverting in TALK. They took the drastic measures of becoming sole judge by deletion and first reversion. They didn't try in "good faith" to delete my work they tried to
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Here you will find some physically exampled of El-Yah that is
Elomhim and Yahweh in proto-canaanite, hardly "hypothetical speculative reconstruction" I would say. You can clearly see the snake looking Yod in the El-yaht(God-Yahweh) inscription on the Ewer along with the proto-cananite X version of
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Christian articles just like you do, we are going to run into the same pages. Because you like to edit the same things as I, therefor I am "stalking"? I think not. Stick to the issues at hand. Perfection is
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It's spelled "Sinaitic" (just as the divine name you misspelled above is in fact "Elohim"). What evidence do you have that anything much beyond the single word לבעלת is widely accepted as being correctly deciphered in Proto-Sinaitic (as I said in my very first message above, and is explained in
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I didn't dispute anything. You arbitrarily deleted my image, didnt even talk with me about it, didn't prove your outlandish claims and keep reverting my work without citation. You claim it is up to me to prove to you, yet you did nothing besides spew your own view out on this whole subject?
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Brigham Young University, which is hardly a crackpot group. Furthermore, You didn't discuss anything with me, you simply made a baseless claim that isn't supported by anything that I can find nor is it supported in the proto-canaanite wiki that says nothing of your
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This image has very serious problems, since the "Proto-Canaanite" alphabet is a hypothetical speculative reconstruction (it's very loosely based on proto-Sinaitic, but unfortunately very little of proto-Sinaitic is securely understood beyond לבעלת ).
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All I can find are proofs and more proofs for Yod-hah-vah-hah in Proto-Sinaitic aka proto-canaanite/old canaanite. How many more sources do I need to site for proof of Yod-Hah-Vah-Hah in Proto-Sinaitic before you leave my work alone?
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presents a hypothetical reconstruction (a reconstruction which in fact has some problems, in my view); for you to take that speculative reconstruction and try to apply it to the Tetragrammaton would appear to be
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Hello! While I know that you weren't able to attend the Backstage Pass, I wanted to pass along some resources and links from the day. You can see that images from the day are being added to the
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