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There are numerous errors in grammar. The article itself looks like it was written by a gang of prepubescent Jolt Cola addicted fangirls. The intro could be much shorter. It needs to be concise and it isn't. It reads like fancruft so I'll be adding all the appropriate tags. But you're acting like
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Nope. We'll have to disagree on this. Pop culture is trivia and should be removed. A lot of users/admins have agreed with what I've done and thanked me for it.02:31, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
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