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Tycoon24, I am trying to understand how you know that PJTV used information from citizen reporters to populate their numbers. Also, I'd like to point out that there are errors in these numbers - go take a look at "Top Events" and then check the number for NYC. Not 11,000 - but 1,100. But the 11,000
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Your notion is correct, local media sources should be more accurate; however, in many cases, local media refused to cover the events too. Thus, PJTV allowed for "Citizen
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I would argue that an organization that encourages its viewers to join a protest would certainly not be the first place that one would look to for accurate figures, as they obviously have a vested interest in the figure being higher. I would say the most accurate figures would probably come from
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You are making the same partisan argument that Fox News promoted the event, or that these protests were somehow organized by the GOP. This is an event covered by few media sources, Fox News and PJTV took advantage of it and covered it. Which makes me believe MSNBC in this case is actually a poor
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Citizen Reporters, the numbers are coming from other sources to PJTV. But I'd argue that citizens and media who attended the events are more likely to be accurate than liberal media sources who refused to cover the events but find value in "estimating" the
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their figures are much higher than other more neutral sources. At least Silver's figures are given per-event and backed up by local news organisations in most cases (and even those are being claimed as too high on 538.com's discussion page).
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inflating the figures, but since they're a partisan source (as they promoted the event) and their figures are much higher than those reported in neutral sources, this would have to be noted if their figures were included in the article.
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Pajamas Media "About" Web site. Having been around since 2004, they qualify as a reliable source and do not exist simply to promote the tea party events. This media source has existed for some time now.
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What source are you using to suggest PJTV "practically" inflates the turnout numbers? Considering PJTV is one of the few news sources to cover the event, PJTV is probably one of the best sources to use.
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If PJTV is relying on participants in the events to estimate the figures at their own events then the figure is even more unreliable. The fact that PJTV is not an unbiased source needs to be noted.
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No - you removed the important sentence, inserted information irrelevant to the article, and did it with a misleading edit summary as well (
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