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it stands now and even the proposed re-write, both need serious improvements. First, saying Doan tried to move forward with no-bid contract after hearing from GSA general counsel is factually inaccurate and potentially libelous. Second, keeping the original language in this section appears to link the special counsel recommendation with Doan's resignation when in fact, the resignation came almost 11 months after the special counsel's recommendation. While I don't agree with the reasons
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I went ahead with the revision after two weeks of silence, I know there are arguments in the wiki community about whether or not silence is consensus, but I felt that after making the changes you noted in your objections to the first revision, and not hearing any other input from any other sources to
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Why have you characterized my edits as POV? In retrospect I should have gone about editing a bit more carefully, and still am rather green at all of this, but I honestly have tried to be careful in balancing both sides of this controversies section. Please look at my suggested changes for what they
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First and foremost, a mea culpa: I overlooked closing a reference tag in my proposed changes and it inadvertently hid the paragraph on the Hatch Act violations. I agree that those accusations deserve a place in the controversies section. I have corrected this error and you will see it reflected in
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If one is not familiar with the dispute, I don't understand how one can say someone "does not deserve" a warning. Especially when this regular editor has a history of being subject to bans for disruptive editing in the past, and has been experiencing multiple allegations of continuing that history
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Thanks again for the understanding words. I don't mean to be a pouty "I'm taking my ball and going home" type, but things have gotten busier for me and it's really not a good use of my limited time to continue trying to plug up a dam with chewing gum. I don't know if you continue to be interested
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I've first raised this issue over a month ago but my concerns remain as-yet unanswered. It would be best if we continued this discussion on your talk page. I have reviewed the changes you propose and have already made my thoughts known. I hope you can address those concerns in the near future. Kind
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Well, I'm sorry to hear that. Did this editor get blocked? Doesn't seem fair to lock the article if the editor didn't get blocked. Anyway, I do appreciate the way everybody is working together over at Tea Party
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The frivolous 3RR by you was found NO VIOLATION because I had not violated 3rr. However, Izauze, you on the other hand were found to be in 3rr violation and you were not blocked because the thread was stale. That's all. So stop lying and trying to make me out to be something I'm
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No, the dispute was actually about whether or not using the word torture in the definition was neutral at all. "Form of torture" and "torture technique" have virtually the same meaning. So I don't see how changing it adds a different, biased meaning to you.
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I've already warned Malke_2010 about the personal attack. The most helpful thing that could happen now is for both of you to stay away from each other's talk pages and post on the article talk page only about sources and how to echo them in the text.
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It was actually me that removed it, but Tycoon24 kept re-inserting it. I merely changed the sentence to include the fact that PJTV may not be a reliable sources. Please feel free to remove the PJTV figure - I've reverted enough times today!
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Thanks. You may find that, as a content dispute thickens, even as one wants to comment more and more about the other editor(s), it becomes more and more helpful, as to outcome, to steadfastly comment only on the sources one wants to cite.
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What of the personal attacks that continue at the article talk page where we commonly interact? I've tried a variety of approaches here, but things seemed to go downhill after I asked others to comment on the uncivil behavior at
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What's up over at the Tea Party thing with the page being locked? What happened there? That won't happen over at Tea Party
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My main goal became putting the events in a logical order, something that this section currently lacks. I'm posting another revision and would welcome your comments and suggestions for the section.
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I've been reading over the merge discussion, etc., and I can't figure out where are we at this point? Separate articles? Daughter articles? It's getting very confusing. Thanks.
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It will get worked out, no worries. Let's look at it tomorrow. I have real life issues to deal with at the moment. I can't come back tonight. Okay?
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