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changes. My reasoning was that Cardiff Market is representative of economic activity (through the ages) and it is a strong image, whereas, although the the Capital Tower is important in terms of the Cardiff economy, it only relates to the last ten years, or so and the image is quite poor, really. Still, I'm not particulary precious about any of the images, so if you want to put it back - please feel free. Your help on the project would be very welcome. Cheers,

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this back to the old format your reason being "Ninian Park still standing". so too does the vetch field but it isnt included in the list. so when cardiff are officially residents at there new stadium and officially moved out of ninian park, are you going to revert back to my format making all the necessary changes that are needed?

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Certainly, that is true. But not for existing or recurring flights. All of the references I removed (and whoever added them was on quite the referencing spree, and repeated basically the same reference a hundred times), were from recurring/seasonal flights. The established project standard (available

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I disagree. If there were two separate "Swansea" articles, you may have a point, but the opening para makes it quite clear that Swansea is a city and county in Wales. The 1996 LA inherited the city status of its smaller predecessors. I'm not against an occasional reference to "the local authority" or

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Morning mate. I noticed you amended the edit about the number of passengers at Radyr railway station - I guess I was only looking at the passengers going IN and not going OUT! Anyway, there used to be a statement about 200 trains a day passing through the station - I took this statement out because I

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With there being less information to add and therefore less to do for some, we need to focus on the upkeep and quality of our project's articles and getting those inactive members active once again. We can do this by making sure all new guidelines and naming policies are adhered to and by working to

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With all due and humble respect it is you that is being disruptive. I produced my own evidence that the local population regard themselves as being in West Wales (as well as South Wales) and you ? Well you said ".....whereas most commonly accepted to be in South Wales" on your edit of the 10th July.

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The change was not 'random' as you described. My edits have reasons behind them. Whether the edit was necessary or not remains subject to opinion. Swansea remains mostly known across the country as a city (or urban area, or settlement, whatever your preferred word was), rather than a county. On the

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Hey there i recently changed the list of stadia in wales by capacity to not include ninian park. i didnt do it because i dont like cardiff but because they have played there final league match there and will no longer play there again- which means it is defunct like the vetch. you recently reverted

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has also been updated to allow the inclusion of information about the language, artist and song (with an English translation as appropriate), although to date this is very much a work in progress. As news comes in, we look forward to enriching this section in the coming months—backed-up of course

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As someone who lived for many years on Gower Road in Swansea I know from first hand experience that most of the local population regard themselves as both in South Wales and in West Wales. This is not a problem since these areas are only vaguely defined but walking round Swansea market there is a

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doesn't appear in the airport name. This is justified on the grounds that the principal city served should be used, rather than the airport name. Can we have some consistency please? At least then those of us who aren't plane spotters could understand what's going on, and what's acceptable.

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article that you'd reverted one of my image moves. Sorry, I hadn't meant to revert your reversion (if you know what I mean). I had wondered where the Cardiff market image had gone and just assumed that I'd made a mistake and deleted when I should have saved (or something), as I'd made so many

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article and (hopefully) improved that article by adding sports that weren't there previously, and adding infomation and references to those that were. It remains a work in progress, but I think I'm nearly there. The plan is to cut the Sports section in the Cardiff article down to two/three

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is behind us, which is the project's busiest time of year. A few of us however still had to slow down during this period, including myself, as May and June also happens to be exam season in multiple parts of the world. There is much still to be done in any case with preparations for the

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Some Country in ESC 2009 pages are yet to have their "At Eurovision" sections updated. Some countries need more information than others, e.g. Slovenia's article needs to mention that the song was actually sung in Slovenian and English, and not just English like in the official mp3, etc.

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I don't think that I will convince you in this discussion, and you won't convince me. The fact remains that there is only one "Swansea" article, and it is about the whole City and County of Swansea. I've asked Ghmyrtle to comment, he's a geographer and well-established as an honest

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Well, I guess counting the number of trains in the timetable would be an option! And I imagine it was quite busy in the coal-era because of its position between Cardiff and Valleys, quite possibly on a European scale, feasible on a world scale but Google not come up with anything?

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very clear sense of much greater cultural, economic and social links with Wales west of Swansea, in Llanelli and Carmarthenshire, than there is with Cardiff and the Vale . Your exclusion of a useful map says more about your POV than about how the poeple of Swansea feel.

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in case in doubt) is to simply say after the seasonal destination, without mentioning resumption or suspension dates. And certainly not to use the word "recommencing". Refer any other airport article, and flights will be listed as "XXX ". Thanks,

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reached its peak in the early 2000s. This gave the contest a more democratic edge, but by 2008 it was widely believed to have made Eurovision resemble a political and geographic football match rather than a song contest. The EBU took action in

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I've checked this out Larry. You're not understanding what's going on here. Welshleprechaun is saying that references to the points he's making exist in the articles being referred to, and so they do. Take a look again. Everything's OK here.

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to see if we can try to get a policy that is clearly understandable. I've moved everything here to maintain the discussion thread (so you don't have to dart backwards and forwards between pages to see what's going on). Hope you don't mind.

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and they seem to be between about 115,000 - 130,000 bytes (Peru is only 50,000 bytes). Cardiff is now at 139,327 bytes, which probably makes it too big already. What I've done, over the last week, is to move the Sports section over to the

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articles with the same editing technique. Editors are advised to look out for further disruption of this kind, as it seems to be originating from a determined individial or an organised group. More information can be found at

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Do you have a copy of the Rothmans Yearbook? If so, would you mind checking the ref for Glamorgan Wanderers RFC and let me know which page it's on please (& the year). I don't have a copy, so just put page 10 (on the

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on how to deal with criticism and controversy in Eurovision Song Contest article, with a proposal made to re-organise articles to avoid dedicated "controversy" and "criticism" sections in order to have maximum

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Okay, okay calm down. I was under the impression that it's always the airport name. Maybe you could bring it up at WP Airports and once a rule of consistency has been established, I'll be happy to comply.

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I fully understand that the references exist in the articles that are linked to. My point is that that's not enough. The references needed to be added to the UK article, where they were required as well.

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something to avoid repeating words in the same sentence, but randomly changing references to 'Swansea' to 'City and County of Swansea' is pedantic, unnecessary and conflicts with the article title.--

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should be referred to as "Macedonia" in Eurovision articles. Mention of the country's participation in the Contest under the name "FYR Macedonia" should be written in the lead of articles such as

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on 31 December 2009. 39 countries will take part. Five of these qualify directly to the final, with the 34 remaining countries each competing in one of two semi-finals (seventeen per semi-final).

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on the grounds that there is a tiny community in the outback of Uruguay (needless to say it doesn't have an airport) that shares the name, and that this could cause confusion between the two

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article. I've had a good think about it. It's really long already, and adding infromation and the sort of references we need is going to make it massive. I've looked at some city/country

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Despite the 2010 Contest being many months away countries are now actively declaring which artists and songs will be representing them at the contest. A table for this can be found at

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on if a monthly newsletter is viable. The current result is not clear, though it appears for the time being months will simply be skipped as necessary when project activity is low.

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was this discussed somewhere in advance? Check the talk page of the more notable person, and you'll see it was proposed, and shot down, once before. Maybe not a good idea. ++

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to a third destination should be mentioned in the narrative, I don't see consistency in other articles - and I notice that you omitted Reading, which is also on the template.

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That may be so, but it is not clear. It does not specifically state that (nor should it). Disambiguations do more good than harm and should not be treated with hostility.

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couldn't find any sources, but would you have any idea where this info would be? Also, would you know if Radyr really was once the busiest railway station in the world?

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This project will likely be disadvantaged for a long time to come with limited membership and fluctuating activity during the year, but it will grow out of this blip.

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news, you don't hear of a house fire in the City and County of Swansea - it would be in Swansea or Gorseinon etc. This is why I favour the disambiguation.

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and show which project related articles are tagged for things such as deletion, GA review, peer review, etc. Take a look and do what you can to help out.

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I do accept that image you posted but that picture was taken in April 2006. Hence I think the LGA is more up to date. Hope you are happy with this.

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with the reasoning that it has come tenth twice in successive years in the semi final stage, but has failed to proceed to the final in both instances.

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to see why this is (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry), if you are interested in it not being deleted. Thank you.

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paragraphs, as part of the Culture section, which also needs to be cut (as does history). What do you think? Any advice would be welcome. Cheers,

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My problem wasn't with the images but since the existing ones are well-established, you should probably discuss the changes you want to make at

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I would like to know why you are trying to label the village of Eglinton with a name which it lost over three centuries ago? The Irish name of

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I take it you haven't heard that the area behind the goal at the cricket end has been fenced off from the pitch and certified for 400 people?

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You may not have noticed, but I've reinstated the Capital Tower image in the Economy, which seems significantly better at its bigger size.

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I see, LOL. You've done a great job on Cardiff related articles BTW, things are developing well. Maybe a lighter yellow....

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Welshleprechaun, firstly your edit wasn't "more neutral", it was pointless verbiage. As I said on the article talkpage, a

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may be entering a crisis due to the possibility of a large drop in the number of participants next year with the ongoing

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declared it is pulling out of the Eurovision Song Contest due to the financial difficulties of the national broadcaster

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format. This will probably continue at least up until the next Eurovision Song Contest when the project is more active.

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I found the twinning relationship on the Local Government Association website, it's list was updated in April 2008

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this may now become the regular format for the newsletter during the months that the project is less active.

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Hi. I noticed you've done a lot of work on the Vale of Glamorgan. Dunno if you know but do you know about

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The problem was that there were no references. Now there are. So now your problem with the images is...?

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Sorry if that came over a bit frantic. It wasn't meant to. Think that's a good idea to bring it up at

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this month. Two semi final shows preceded the final again this year. The first semi final was won by

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is a city with the same status as a province and has a population of 2.6 million and that

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will probably be remembered as a decade of both success and controversy for the contest.

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by reducing televoting to having only a 50% weighting in the results of each contest.

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has already announced that the artist that will represent the country in 2010 will be

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Five countries have declared they will be withdrawing from the contest in 2010. The

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for almost a month. The GA nomination has now failed due to some remaining issues.

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are withdrawing due to three semi-final failures and a lack of interest from

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We would like to welcome the new member who joined in July. (by date joined)

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We would like to welcome the new member who joined in June. (by date joined)

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We would like to welcome the new members who joined in May. (by date joined)

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Welcome to the fourteenth edition of the WikiProject Eurovision Newsletter!

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Welcome to the thirteenth edition of the WikiProject Eurovision Newsletter!

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has been demoted to B-class from FA due to various issues highlighted in a

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Welcome to the fifteenth edition of the WikiProject Eurovision Newsletter!

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is the only country that has declared it will be returning to the contest.

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charged with maintaining the quality of Knowledge (XXG)'s Good Articles.

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with the song "Barcelona" following her win at the 11 July national final.

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Thirdly, please stop making unreasonable accusations of bias against me -

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More details on the decision as well as the full RfC can be found on the

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Welcome to the eleventh edition of the WikiProject Eurovision Newsletter!

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Welcome to the twelfth edition of the WikiProject Eurovision Newsletter!

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National selection details for the 2010 Contest are now available for

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template on the article's talk page, please add it. You can also read

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Welcome to the tenth edition of the WikiProject Eurovision Newsletter!

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template on the article's talk page, please add it. You can also read

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Hey there Welshleprechaun, thank you for your contributions! I am a

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