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create the English language, and even if he did, he has no authority on how we use words today. His opinions on what incest really means have absolutely no place on Knowledge (XXG) except in articles about Moses, and Mosaic definitions of sexual acts. The definition of incest is sexual unions between close relatives, and that is exactly what happened between Lot and his Daughters, according to the Jewish and Christian versions of the Bible.
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people whom the early Israelites hated and wanted to kill without violating God's commandments against killing (which date back to Noah). Yes, I agree, it's pretty awful that the story in the most popular Bibles makes sure to include a bit where Lot's daughters inexplicably rape their own father and give birth to children of incest, but Knowledge (XXG) is about capturing
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However, it's pretty important for Biblical context in later stories that Moab was a child of incest, as it gave moral weight to the desire of the ancient people who told these stories to kill their Moabite neighbors. The entire Old Testament is a web of stories about name calling and insults for the
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That is probably fine. I'm confused by what you are changing, since I didn't change any wording, I just moved the last sentence from the first paragraph to the second paragraph, where it fit better with the context of the article. If there is a missing or erroneous attribution, you are welcome to fix
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I don't understand what Moses has to do with any of this. If a dinosaur raped her father, it is still incest, regardless of what Biblical writings say about it, and regardless if it took place 100 million years before Moses, and regardless of any reasonings or mitigating circumstances. Moses did not
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of sexual relations with close kin." Before the law of Moses in the Bible, there is no mention of any social, legal, religious or cultural restrictions on sexual relations among near kin. We simply can't claim that Lot committed incest. His daughters seduced him. It sounds like Lot was the victim of
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You are right in pointing out that Lot was also a victim of rape. Incest does not need to be consensual, and is in fact unfortunately a common additional factor in many cases of rape. The only thing really unusual about the end of Lot's story (beside the motivations of his daughters not being well
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I'm sorry for the confusion about the definition of incest. Your second edit summary defining incest is wrong: "The word 'incest' means sexual relations between family members." Look above the opening sentence of the
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