432:
by overzealous editing without respect to individuals (as was the case with the apparently flawed Jagged process). That doesn't mean these people aren't individually abusing a blind spot in the system though. I am simply too new to the discussion and too unfamiliar with the "cleanup" crew's edits to make claims against them personally. However I will happily participate in an RFC/U as an unbiased observer of the discussion that has transpired recently.
819:
746:
577:
431:
Aquib, I appreciate your message. I am an infrequent editor and so, while I've familiarized myself with all sorts of wiki procedures over the years, I've never participated in an RFC. My inclination would be to take action that is global with respect to all the pages involved and addresses the abuse
391:
The subject matter must be narrowly limited to that appropriate for an RFC/U (user behavior) action. It covers the provocation of Pjoef by RK, the insults and attempted intimidation of Pjoef by RK and others, the lack of discussion on the talk page before the stubbing occurred, the lack of proof of
387:
I need your help in order to move forward. The next step I hope hope to take is opening a separate RFC/U (user) to deal with inappropriate behavior in the original incident involving Pjoef, Ruud Koot and WMC (William M Connelley). The proposed RFC would deal with the sequence of events that led up
483:
Oh, this is great news! I am a huge fan of The Clash (the only band that matters), but I like all music from the
Renaissance to the Mars Volta (great band). If you need a helping hand for that article as well as for others, do not hesitate to ask me. I will take a look at that "headache" tomorrow
462:
Like I said, I'll happily participate, but I can only speak to what I've seen and read in the recent discussion, not to past shenanigans by these editors. And I'll actively second any request for a new AfC (?? I'm not familiar with the correct forum) addressing all the "Jagged" pages. Part of the
443:
Regarding the RFC/U, I suggest you confer with Pjoef on how best to proceed, since he seems to be the most affected party, being the person who has taken it on to review and clean up the article and the persons who deleted it wouldn't let him. I only know enough about the subject to criticize the
435:
I would more happily participate in a global process that allows us to suggest remedies that apply to all pages in question, since at the very least folks cannot accuse me of having an "axe to grind". An AfC listing the pages that were deleted or stubbed in response to the Jag cleanup would be a
622:
Not sure of the word, maybe ironic, but the use of the font tag is depreciated as it says on the HTML page, so use the span tag. In the article in the font section, it says "Sizes are from 1 to 7. The standard size is 3". On
Knowledge, the standard size is 2. I changed the font sizes in the
405:
In order to proceed, I need at least one other user to agree to certify the RFC/U (the more the better). This is done by placing specific language on talk pages at the right time, after the RFC/U has been prepared and we agree on its contents. I cannot proceed to RFC/U by myself. I also need
831:
is now open until 23.59 on Sunday, 10 December. All users who registered an account before
Saturday, 28 October 2017, made at least 150 mainspace edits before Wednesday, 1 November 2017 and are not currently blocked are eligible to vote. Users with alternate accounts may only vote once.
392:
problems with the article, the agreement of RK and WMC between themselves to stub the article, the way the article was initially moved rather than being stubbed (causing the temporary loss of article history), and their refusal to subsequently revert the article.
758:
is open from Monday, 00:00, 21 November through Sunday, 23:59, 4 December to all unblocked users who have registered an account before
Wednesday, 00:00, 28 October 2016 and have made at least 150 mainspace edits before Sunday, 00:00, 1 November 2016.
378:
article, and speaking out against this outrageous behavior. The issues surrounding this RFC are complex. I believe it is important they be dealt with in a way that provides support for further actions in the near future. This problem goes beyond the
444:
process, and the persons involved seem to be using that loophole (what I like to call WP:BLINDSPOT) to keep articles where there is a lack of expertise (compare WP:BATHWATER) stubbed by placing the burden of proof on anyone attempting to add
409:
Please reply on my talk page to let me know if you are interested in helping me recover this article and correct this injustice. If you know anyone else who would like to participate, please invite them to reply to my talk page as well.
859:
786:
843:. It has the authority to impose binding solutions to disputes between editors, primarily for serious conduct disputes the community has been unable to resolve. This includes the authority to impose
770:. It has the authority to impose binding solutions to disputes between editors, primarily for serious conduct disputes the community has been unable to resolve. This includes the authority to impose
519:
and, if you wish to do so, enter your statement and any other material you wish to submit to the
Arbitration Committee. Additionally, the following resources may be of use—
53:
459:}} template, used to tag individual claims in an article, makes the entire Jagged 85 verdict to completely stub all pages on the subject obsolete and unnecessary.
557:
324:, they identfied the five pages that were blanked. By the person who blanked all five pages on Islamic science, philosophy, etc. under a ruling of some sort.
710:
665:
463:
problem is that the guy who actually went and outright deleted / stubbed some of the pages was a hit-and-run and I can't tell what his motives were.
305:. I see it redirects to Metaphysics. Do you have any more information on whether there used to be a unique article on Islamic metaphysics? Thanks -
655:
61:
406:
suggestions on how the RFC/U should be worded and what should be included. I can write the RFC/U and drive the process, but I need you support.
226:
383:
article, but it needs to be dealt with one step at a time in order to avoid confusion and build a comprehensive foundation for further action.
651:
706:
661:
76:
or by typing four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically produce your username and the date. Also, please do your best to always fill in the
873:
800:
580:
Welcome to
Knowledge. Everyone is welcome to contribute to the encyclopedia, but when you add or change content, as you did to the article
456:
250:
349:
136:
25:
73:
91:
72:
67:
66:
869:
796:
541:
421:
357:
310:
658:). Such links are almost always unintended, since a disambiguation page is merely a list of "Did you mean..." article titles.
703:. Such links are almost always unintended, since a disambiguation page is merely a list of "Did you mean..." article titles.
523:
516:
437:
302:
159:
436:
great place to start. On the two talk pages for math and science, I listed the ones mentioned upthread on the talk page for
623:
example to percentages based upon
Knowledge standards, so you might want to change the percentage to what it needs to be.
177:
852:
779:
452:
401:
In addition, I also suggest these two users should withdraw from the editing of
Islamic articles and JAG-related issues.
131:
864:
791:
605:
529:
500:
231:
87:
396:
Remedies should include reverting the article to its pre-stubbed state, and I also believe Pjoef deserves an apology.
320:
I guess they deleted that article outright. I have only been following the discussion upthread on the talk page for
696:
585:
537:
417:
353:
306:
255:
321:
182:
593:
388:
to the intial stubbing, as well as the repeated re-stubbing of the article when I have attempted to revert it.
695:
Hi. Thank you for your recent edits. Knowledge appreciates your help. We noticed though that when you edited
642:
Hi. Thank you for your recent edits. Knowledge appreciates your help. We noticed though that when you edited
589:
566:
601:
597:
206:
126:
121:
21:
840:
767:
211:
298:
261:
216:
624:
562:
267:
154:
827:
754:
736:
726:
681:
628:
836:
763:
464:
325:
77:
851:, editing restrictions, and other measures needed to maintain our editing environment. The
778:, editing restrictions, and other measures needed to maintain our editing environment. The
536:
Thanks, Hi Yclept, saw your latest note, thought you might be interested if you have time -
515:
You are involved in a recently-filed request for arbitration. Please review the request at
495:
848:
775:
643:
844:
771:
717:
It's OK to remove this message. Also, to stop receiving these messages, follow these
672:
It's OK to remove this message. Also, to stop receiving these messages, follow these
221:
722:
718:
677:
673:
615:
818:
745:
581:
561:
concerning the clean-up effort in connectuion with Jagged 85's RFC/U. Regards
485:
17:
877:
804:
730:
685:
632:
609:
570:
545:
505:
472:
425:
374:
Thank you for your participation in the RFC regarding the stubbing of the
361:
333:
314:
95:
855:
describes the
Committee's roles and responsibilities in greater detail.
782:
describes the
Committee's roles and responsibilities in greater detail.
367:
Requesting assistance on a new RFC/U for Mathematics in medieval Islam
340:
Invitation to comment on RFC regarding the stubbing (deletion) of the
700:
600:
to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. Thank you.
647:
588:
for the content of your edit. This helps maintain our policy of
858:
If you wish to participate in the 2017 election, please review
785:
If you wish to participate in the 2016 election, please review
80:. Below are some useful links to facilitate your involvement.
448:
even when citations are properly sourced and not overstated.
348:
You are invited to comment on the content dispute regarding
20:
berr, and can occasionally be found on my old unregistered
517:
Knowledge:Arbitration/Requests#Jagged 85 RFC/U and cleanup
350:
the stubbing of the Mathematics in medieval Islam article
839:
is the panel of editors responsible for conducting the
766:
is the panel of editors responsible for conducting the
699:, you added a link pointing to the disambiguation page
646:, you added a link pointing to the disambiguation page
524:
Knowledge:Arbitration/Requests#Requests for Arbitration
511:
Jagged 85 RFC/U and cleanup has been appealed to ArbCom
24:(since 2008) and have also made edits before and
638:Disambiguation link notification for February 18
484:morning, I'm too tired now. Gabba Gabba Hey! –
193:
108:
44:
8:
691:Disambiguation link notification for July 17
555:Hello. You are invited to take part in
234:- a Wizard to help you create articles
7:
828:2017 Arbitration Committee elections
755:2016 Arbitration Committee elections
451:Also note that the existence of a {{
551:Jagged 85 cleanup: article stubbing
440:. Does anyone have a complete list?
825:Hello, Yclept:Berr. Voting in the
812:ArbCom 2017 election voter message
752:Hello, Yclept:Berr. Voting in the
14:
596:for how to cite sources, and the
297:Hello, you mentioned the article
817:
744:
575:
71:
65:
862:and submit your choices on the
28:prior to this account in 2010.
438:Talk:Science in medieval Islam
96:13:25, 19 September 2010 (UTC)
1:
841:Knowledge arbitration process
805:22:08, 21 November 2016 (UTC)
768:Knowledge arbitration process
686:09:19, 18 February 2014 (UTC)
633:08:43, 17 February 2013 (UTC)
381:Mathematics in medieval Islam
376:Mathematics in medieval Islam
342:Mathematics in medieval Islam
127:The five pillars of Knowledge
104:
40:
878:18:42, 3 December 2017 (UTC)
137:Intuitive guide to Knowledge
62:sign your name on talk pages
789:and submit your choices on
530:Knowledge:Arbitration guide
227:New contributors' help page
895:
870:MediaWiki message delivery
797:MediaWiki message delivery
787:the candidates' statements
697:East Asian gothic typeface
610:12:15, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
571:11:43, 21 March 2011 (UTC)
546:05:56, 21 March 2011 (UTC)
506:20:48, 18 March 2011 (UTC)
473:04:44, 17 March 2011 (UTC)
457:Not specifically in source
426:03:58, 17 March 2011 (UTC)
362:04:03, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
207:Frequently asked questions
731:09:02, 17 July 2014 (UTC)
334:20:26, 8 March 2011 (UTC)
315:14:01, 8 March 2011 (UTC)
251:Contributing to Knowledge
178:How to develop an article
594:Knowledge:Citing sources
468:
329:
322:medieval Islamic science
50:Hello, Yclept:Berr, and
217:Where to ask a question
146:Finding your way around
88:Pharaoh of the Wizards
83:Pharaoh of the Wizards
837:Arbitration Committee
764:Arbitration Committee
737:ArbCom Elections 2016
414:Thank you very much,
54:Welcome to Knowledge!
719:opt-out instructions
674:opt-out instructions
479:Re: Music venue page
160:Department directory
656:fix with Dab solver
453:Verification failed
299:Islamic metaphysics
293:Islamic metaphysics
262:Knowledge etiquette
60:Please remember to
853:arbitration policy
780:arbitration policy
739:: Voting now open!
709:• Join us at the
664:• Join us at the
132:How to edit a page
78:edit summary field
714:
669:
602:Materialscientist
504:
283:
282:
279:
278:
275:
274:
190:
189:
155:Table of contents
103:
102:
886:
821:
748:
704:
659:
652:check to confirm
584:, please cite a
579:
578:
492:
489:
256:Community Portal
242:How you can help
194:
169:Editing articles
109:
105:
75:
69:
45:
41:
894:
893:
889:
888:
887:
885:
884:
883:
882:
881:
822:
814:
809:
808:
792:the voting page
749:
741:
711:DPL WikiProject
693:
666:DPL WikiProject
640:
620:
586:reliable source
576:
553:
513:
487:
481:
369:
346:
303:this discussion
295:
290:
285:
284:
243:
199:
183:Manual of Style
170:
147:
114:
113:Getting started
99:
86:Happy editing!
38:
37:Welcome message
34:
12:
11:
5:
892:
890:
860:the candidates
823:
816:
815:
813:
810:
750:
743:
742:
740:
734:
692:
689:
644:Elvis operator
639:
636:
619:
613:
552:
549:
534:
533:
527:
512:
509:
480:
477:
476:
475:
460:
449:
441:
433:
413:
403:
402:
398:
397:
386:
368:
365:
345:
338:
337:
336:
294:
291:
289:
286:
281:
280:
277:
276:
273:
272:
271:
270:
264:
258:
253:
245:
244:
241:
238:
237:
236:
235:
232:Article Wizard
229:
224:
219:
214:
209:
201:
200:
197:
191:
188:
187:
186:
185:
180:
172:
171:
168:
165:
164:
163:
162:
157:
149:
148:
145:
142:
141:
140:
139:
134:
129:
124:
116:
115:
112:
101:
100:
48:
39:
36:
35:
33:
30:
22:User Talk page
13:
10:
9:
6:
4:
3:
2:
891:
880:
879:
875:
871:
867:
866:
861:
856:
854:
850:
846:
842:
838:
833:
830:
829:
820:
811:
807:
806:
802:
798:
794:
793:
788:
783:
781:
777:
773:
769:
765:
760:
757:
756:
747:
738:
735:
733:
732:
728:
724:
720:
715:
712:
708:
702:
698:
690:
688:
687:
683:
679:
675:
670:
667:
663:
657:
653:
649:
645:
637:
635:
634:
630:
626:
617:
614:
612:
611:
607:
603:
599:
595:
591:
590:verifiability
587:
583:
573:
572:
568:
564:
563:Gun Powder Ma
560:
559:
550:
548:
547:
543:
539:
531:
528:
525:
522:
521:
520:
518:
510:
508:
507:
502:
498:
497:
491:
478:
474:
470:
466:
461:
458:
454:
450:
447:
442:
439:
434:
430:
429:
428:
427:
423:
419:
415:
411:
407:
400:
399:
395:
394:
393:
389:
384:
382:
377:
372:
366:
364:
363:
359:
355:
351:
343:
339:
335:
331:
327:
323:
319:
318:
317:
316:
312:
308:
304:
300:
292:
287:
269:
265:
263:
259:
257:
254:
252:
249:
248:
247:
246:
240:
239:
233:
230:
228:
225:
223:
220:
218:
215:
213:
210:
208:
205:
204:
203:
202:
196:
195:
192:
184:
181:
179:
176:
175:
174:
173:
167:
166:
161:
158:
156:
153:
152:
151:
150:
144:
143:
138:
135:
133:
130:
128:
125:
123:
120:
119:
118:
117:
111:
110:
107:
106:
98:
97:
93:
89:
84:
81:
79:
74:
68:
63:
58:
57:
56:
55:
47:
46:
43:
42:
31:
29:
27:
23:
19:
863:
857:
834:
826:
824:
790:
784:
761:
753:
751:
716:
694:
671:
641:
621:
616:HTML element
598:welcome page
574:
556:
554:
535:
514:
494:
482:
445:
416:
412:
408:
404:
390:
385:
380:
375:
373:
370:
347:
341:
296:
198:Getting help
122:Introduction
85:
82:
64:by clicking
59:
52:
51:
49:
15:
865:voting page
465:Yclept:Berr
352:Thank You -
326:Yclept:Berr
849:topic bans
776:topic bans
721:. Thanks,
676:. Thanks,
582:Seaborgium
222:Help pages
212:Cheatsheet
845:site bans
772:site bans
705:Read the
660:Read the
558:this vote
266:Practice
501:contribs
446:anything
371:Hello,
288:Talkback
268:civility
723:DPL bot
678:DPL bot
625:Bgwhite
455:}} / {{
344:article
260:Follow
32:Welcome
701:Gothic
592:. See
18:yclept
538:Aquib
418:Aquib
354:Aquib
307:Aquib
26:since
16:I am
874:talk
835:The
801:talk
762:The
727:talk
682:talk
648:NULL
629:talk
618:page
606:talk
567:talk
542:talk
496:talk
469:talk
422:talk
358:talk
330:talk
311:talk
92:talk
707:FAQ
662:FAQ
488:joe
301:in
70:or
876:)
868:.
847:,
803:)
795:.
774:,
729:)
684:)
654:|
631:)
608:)
569:)
544:)
499:•
471:)
424:)
360:)
332:)
313:)
94:)
872:(
799:(
725:(
713:.
680:(
668:.
650:(
627:(
604:(
565:(
540:(
532:.
526:;
503:)
493:(
490:f
486:p
467:(
420:(
356:(
328:(
309:(
90:(
Text is available under the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License. Additional terms may apply.