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Ennesim because Sham Ennesim is not Shemu. Thatās been my point. This spring festival which always falls on Easter Monday is Coptic Christian in origin. Iāve affirmed that non-Christians partake in it (minus the believing in the resurrection part), which I why mentioned it. But that doesnāt negate it is Coptic Christian by origin. Thatās why it always falls on Easter Monday & that is why you can only find festivals in association with Easter attested in medieval sources. Iāve also provided a piece written by HG Bishop Youssef who affirms what Iām saying about it being a part of Easter, so your claim about this not being affirmed in the churches is not correct. From what Iāve seen the medieval sources do not mention āSham Ennessimā explicitly and as something separate from Easter. Thatās the point. Outdoor activities in association with Easter is mentioned & Easter is on the list of those mentioned by Maqrizi.
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Ennesim because Sham Ennesim is not Shemu. Thatās been my point. This spring festival which always falls on Easter Monday is Coptic Christian in origin. Iāve affirmed that non-Christians partake in it (minus the believing in the resurrection part), which I why mentioned it. But that doesnāt negate it is Coptic Christian by origin. Thatās why it always falls on Easter Monday & that is why you can only find festivals in association with Easter attested in medieval sources. Iāve also provided a piece written by HG Bishop Youssef who affirms what Iām saying about it being a part of Easter, so your claim about this not being affirmed in the churches is not correct. From what Iāve seen the medieval sources do not mention āSham Ennessimā explicitly and as something separate from Easter. Thatās the point. Outdoor activities in association with Easter is mentioned & Easter is on the list of those mentioned by Maqrizi.
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Christian in origin. Les fĆŖtes des Coptes' Patrologia Orientalis 10 (1915) pp. 314-343, Werthmuller, Kurt J. Coptic Identity and Ayyubid Politics in Egypt, 1218-1250. American Univ in Cairo Press, 2010 pp. 35, Oestigaard, Terje. The Religious Nile. Bloomsbury Publishing, 2018, p. 363.
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