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Let me just say that I appreciate your message on my talk page. I fully support your edits as they have further improved the article. I'm perfectly happy leaving out the explanations (in brackets) as unnecessary to the chart - it looks cleaner now - I was merely wanting it reflected that
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I HAVE GIVEN YOU NOTHING BUT SOURCES...YOU LIKE TO IGNORE THE CITES, EVEN FROM LAW SCHOOL DEAN REFERENCES. JURIS DOCTOR IS DOCTOR...IT IS NOT MASTER, BACHELORS, CERTIFICATE, ETC. HOW CAN YOU NOT READ DOCTOR AS DOCTOR (LATIN FOR TEACHER) IS A PUZZLE TO ME AND TO ALL OTHERS, INCLUDING THE ABA!!!
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I DO NOT KNOW HOW TO USE THE TALK PAGE BUT YOU SEE THE ARTICLE THAT I HAVE REFERENCED IS RIGHT FROM A LAW DEAN IN CANADA WHICH IS MORE RECENT THAN YOUR REFERENCED CITATION. DESPITE THIS REFERENCE, AND THE OBVIOUS CHANGE IN CANADA TO THE JD YOU STILL PERSIST. SO WILL I.
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with the J.D. or LL.B. education - a person must still take Bar Admission courses and pass them before being granted a license. What is POV about that? I'm merely a Canadian lawyer and prof - I have no agenda other than accuracy. Best,
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need to take additional Bar Admission courses (not just sitting for exams) set by their respective provincial Law Societies - merely answering 'no' works for me, as you've done in the edit. Best,
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