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itself a prominent setting, and a musician's article may name television series or films in which the performer appeared. However, a Knowledge (XXG) article about a city with an "in popular culture" section should not contain examples of films which make a one sentence reference to the city in dialogue, or songs which mention the name of the city in one sentence.
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The importance of the works it may be reasonable to mention in a pop-culture section should rise commensurately with the level of notability of the subject of the article in which the section appears. A nonfiction best-seller, or film that won major awards, about a historical figure is more likely to
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through the reference in question has the potential to learn something meaningful about the topic from that work alone. For example, if a movie or a television series has been filmed in a town, the viewer is seeing a concrete representation of what the town actually looks like at street level; but if
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Attempt to pare the section down first. In some cases, the section is not so much a new article as it is just bloated. In others, the section should be split off, but paring down the section first will help the new article stand on its own. In addition, if there are any items in the section that
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When fictional characters are modeled after notable people or celebrities, they can be mentioned in the article about the person when the connection is identified in the primary source or attributed by a secondary source. Major monuments dedicated to a person or significant locations named after a
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information with sources that establish its significance to the article's subject. Exhaustive, indiscriminate lists are discouraged, as are passing references to the article subject. For example, it is appropriate if a city's article mentions films, books or television series in which the city is
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to keep material you view as undesirable out of the main article, realize that this approach has been tried before, and can often backfire. One common pattern in such a circumstance is that the new article degenerates to the point where it gets deleted, and then the same content builds up in the
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was closed with: "The consensus is very clear that a secondary source is required in almost all cases. A tertiary source is even better, if available. In the rare case that a primary source is judged to be sufficient, it should be properly cited. The source(s) cited should not only establish the
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Passing mentions of the subject in books, television or film dialogue, or song lyrics should be included only when the significance of that mention is itself demonstrated with secondary sources. For example, a brief reference in film dialogue may be appropriate if the subject responds to it in a
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The divide between popular culture and elite culture is more permeable than in previous centuries. Nowadays even the very rich or the classically educated may read bestselling novels, listen to folk music, and watch Hollywood movies. There's no need for the "popular" qualifier anymore. It's just
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got to perform a few songs on a late-night talk show, but this will just be trivia in an article about a major recording artist. And in the case of the more obscure band, it would be much better to work into the main flow the article what effect their TV appearance had on their career.
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be encyclopedically relevant than a special issue of a magazine, or a one-hour TV documentary. The relative importance of or focus on the Knowledge (XXG) subject in the works should also rise with the article subject's notability. It may be relevant that a band that barely passes the
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the town is merely mentioned in a single line of dialogue, the viewer hasn't learned anything except that the place exists. Another good test is whether the item would be sufficiently useful to include in the article even if there were no special "in popular culture" type section.
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that supports that judgment. Quoting a respected expert attesting to the importance of a subject as a cultural influence is encouraged. Absence of these secondary sources should be seen as a sign of limited significance, not an invitation to draw inference from primary sources.
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public fashion—such as a celebrity or official quoted as expressing pleasure or displeasure at the reference. As well, a brief reference in film or TV dialogue may be appropriate if secondary sources (film critics) write about the significance of this reference to the city.
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Information in a pop culture section should be presented in a logical and understandable way. Related items should be grouped together and the article should flow. Alphabetical, regional, date, media type and other forms of organization should be applied. Bulleted
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Did the referencing material significantly depend on the specific subject? For example, if the reference is to a specific model of car, did the material use that model car for some reason, or was it just a case of "use a well-known name of a
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When there are multiple copies of the subject item, references to it become less meaningful. For example, reference to a pickup truck in a movie is not a reason to include that reference in the
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Many articles about subjects with broad cultural impact have sections titled "In popular culture", "Cultural references", or "In fiction", which exclusively contain references to the subject in
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style during his 2008 State House race. It attracted attention from sources who wouldn't ordinarily be interested in such a race, and the campaign received over $ 100,000 from online donations.
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The word "popular" unnecessarily restricts the culture in question, and often some items in this section are hardly ever called "popular culture", while being indisputably encyclopedic.
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and their sources should establish their significance. Detailing a topic's impact upon popular culture can be a worthwhile contribution to an article, provided that the content is
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The title "In popular culture" emerged in the early days of Knowledge (XXG) for this particular type of article content (along with "See also", "External links", etc.) and
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If you cannot answer "yes" to at least one of these, you are probably just adding trivia. Get three or more, and you are probably adding genuinely encyclopedic content.
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Further addition of popular culture content can easily be discouraged with HTML comments in the areas of the article where cultural references are usually added, e.g.
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Editors are better able to maintain the main article if pop culture references are kept in another article, because pop culture sections tend to grow exponentially.
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examples that are bona fide cultural references. When such sections grow too long, they may be split into subarticles, but this should be done with caution.
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routinely mentions dozens of other subjects without the reference impacting popular perception of the subject. Examples here would, sadly, basically be
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written on it for a few seconds. This should NOT be used as an example of xkcd in popular culture, because it is a passing, insignificant reference.
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by Knowledge (XXG)'s definition, but the better known the source is, the less likely that its inclusion in a popular culture section is trivial.
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guidelines, when "In popular culture" sections grow excessively long they are split into subarticles. This allows the main article to stay at a
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It contains the advice or opinions of one or more Knowledge (XXG) contributors. This page is not an encyclopedia article, nor is it one of
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In determining whether a reference is encyclopedic, one helpful test can be to look at whether a person who is familiar with the topic
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The existence of the section can tend to cause or allow inclusion of material which otherwise not be worth including in the article.
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to be digestible for wide consumption (and because of this the section itself is often perceived as a collection of useless trivia).
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subject can be included (but this should not lead to a listing of all 100 elementary schools named after a certain president).
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where the reference itself is ambiguous. If a cultural reference is genuinely significant it should be possible to find a
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can be integrated with the main article, try to do this before splitting, because it is less likely to happen afterward.
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The earliest known section for storing popular culture references, and titled "popular culture", was in the article
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is verifiably wearing an "Area 51" T-shirt in this photo; but this doesn't mean that the Knowledge (XXG) article on
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by the way of habit as the first title to effectively encompass it all: "in cinema", "in poetry", "in video games",
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Sections or articles that list too many inappropriate popular culture or fiction references may be tagged with
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When trying to decide if a pop culture reference is appropriate to an article, ask yourself the following:
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Knowledge (XXG):Manual of Style/Trivia sections § "In popular culture" and "Cultural references" material
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main article again: the problem in the end remains unsolved and in the meantime, editor time is wasted.
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Knowledge (XXG):WikiProject Biography/Core biographies/Cultural depictions of core biography figures
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The three most common forms of unencyclopedic pop-culture trivia, even when not in list form, are:
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referenced the "In popular culture" section of Knowledge (XXG) articles in the July 7, 2008
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and focus on the most essential aspects of its subject. The new article is usually called "
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Inclusion of more and more pop-culture details the more influential or general the topic is
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Has the subject (if a person or organization) acknowledged the existence of the reference?
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Did any real-world event occur because of the cultural element covered by the reference?
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When poorly written or poorly maintained, however, these sections can devolve into
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It keeps the main article focused on the most essential aspects of its subject.
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have one less variable to deal with in maintaining the article at that status.
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A popular cartoon show depicts a minor character wearing a baseball cap with
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Before splitting, familiarize yourself with some of the precedents found at
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The only English-language novel that features this article's obscure subject
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should inform the reader that "Simon Pegg wore an Area 51 t-shirt in 2011."
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For the article on references to Knowledge (XXG) in popular culture, see
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The term "popular culture" has acquired a sense of something trivial or
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verifiability of the pop culture reference, but also its significance."
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For this reason some Wikipedians look for alternative titles, such as
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for the new article. If you are considering creating a new article
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An appropriate cultural reference is important in the cultural work
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Knowledge (XXG) is not an indiscriminate collection of information
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would attract enough interest to generate an entire article about
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decided to promote his tech credentials by running an ad in an
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being mentioned in Knowledge (XXG) articles are as follows:
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Any of the thousands of romance novels that mention Paris
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Self-published content, books almost no one has heard of
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It can be fun to pick through piles of stuff at a real
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Knowledge (XXG):"In popular culture" articles
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in fiction". Many of these articles can be found in
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should be avoided when practical in favor of normal
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from more traditional encyclopedias. They should be
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When properly written, such sections can positively
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Knowledge (XXG):"In popular culture" articles
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