678:. As stated above, 1989 was an important year for military history, hence these lists. The fact Switzerland wasn't technically involved in the Cold War is irrelevant. It prepared for the fallout from the Cold War just as any other country did. Its forces were much stronger then than they are now, just like any other country which might have been affected by the Cold War. --
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from 2 years ago, which ended as keep (though with strong calls to source it). The article has not been improved since, and the sources which are there are not really about the 1989 order in the first place, and not very impressive otherwise (e.g. the "the-northrop-f-5-enthusiast-page" indicating
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And what does it learn readers about the Cold War, or about 1989? Indicating the significance should be done (normally by independent sources) by showing what changed during that year, or compared to the previous or following year. A static picture of the order of battle learns me
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Feel free to present the sources that support your "keep" for this specific article, as for the moment there are none. Furthermore, the article does nothing to demonstrate this importance or how 1989 was so drastically different compared to 1990 for the Swiss order of battle.
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in another article) can be spin off, but for that it has to be shown that it is essential information. Your 'drill down' is very nice, weren't it for the fact that the Swiss Army article doesn't even link to this article (in fact, the only article this is linked from is
567:: what makes 1989 any more significant than 1956 (Hungary), 1961 (Berlin), 1968 (Czechoslovakia) or 1981-4 (Pershing II)? Do we really need ORBATs of every European country at different points throughout the Cold War? What exactly does it add?
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